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Old November 13th 03, 02:02 PM
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Just about everyone. Especially the owners.

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:07:39 -0600, "Dan Luke"
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"markjen" wrote:
Finally, a Bonanza is a much more
rugged/substantial airplane,


Says who?


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Old November 13th 03, 02:03 PM
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Anyone that has ever flown more than an hour in each.

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:15:05 GMT, "Zeno" wrote:

a Bonanza is .... arguably more comfortable


says who ?


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Old November 13th 03, 02:04 PM
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Right now I'm this "........." close to buying a 1992 F33A and adding a
Tornado Alley Whirlwind to it. The cost will be about $255K, barely enough
to touch a Lanc or Cirrus.


And probably one of the best aircraft decisions you'll ever make.
You're REALLY going to enjoy that one. Boy, I'm envious (as will
everyone on the ramp be).

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Old November 13th 03, 02:06 PM
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Inexperienced pilots with a pocketful of money. They view this as a
toy that's a better deal than a Bonanza, not requiring the special
skills we all need to have, even ultralighters.

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:47:29 GMT, "Michael 182"
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The accident reports are pretty interesting.

There were five fatal flights:

1 - Flew into powerlines
3 - Flew into terrain
1 - spin w/out parachute deployment

Only the spin accident has a final report, which basically says the pane
entered a spin and the parachute was not deployed. No comment on whether the
parachute was tried. In a non-fatal accident a month earlier the parachute
deployment was attempted and failed.

There is not enough data or info here to draw any real conclusion, but some
speculation...

On one hand, unless there was a control failure, the flights into terrain
and powerlines appear to be pilot error. On the other hand, this many CFIT
accidents in such a short time in such a small population of planes does
cause some concern. Is the plane difficult to handle? Is it so "slippery"
that pilots are losing control? Is it being flown by pilots that can't
handle the performance - the stereotypical "doctor-killer" story?

Michael



"Tom S." wrote in message
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The accident reports, particularly Cirrus, keep me at bay.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp






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Old November 13th 03, 03:35 PM
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"Potential Bo Buyer" wrote in message
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Obsolete? Must be that planned obsolescence at Beech.


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Old November 13th 03, 03:37 PM
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"Michael 182" wrote in message
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The accident reports are pretty interesting.

There were five fatal flights:

1 - Flew into powerlines
3 - Flew into terrain
1 - spin w/out parachute deployment

Only the spin accident has a final report, which basically says the pane
entered a spin and the parachute was not deployed. No comment on whether

the
parachute was tried. In a non-fatal accident a month earlier the parachute
deployment was attempted and failed.

There is not enough data or info here to draw any real conclusion, but

some
speculation...


Check the disparity in the non-fatal's as well.


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Old November 13th 03, 03:38 PM
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"markjen" wrote in message
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There is insufficient time-in-service to really be able to say much about
Cirrus accident rates. The Concorde went from having the best airliner
accident rate to the worst with one accident.


Wrong context.

That's the problem with new
airplanes - insuffiicent experience with the fleet.


For the few numbers in service and it's short history, there's a hell of a
lot of accidents.


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Old November 13th 03, 03:41 PM
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Tom,

Bonanza's, being a proven product (in contrast with Cirrus and Lancair)

will
be around after many of us are dead and gone.


Like flintstones, steam engines and the telegraph? ;-) Ever heard of
"progress"?


So let's send all the Bonanza's to the junkyard.

Let's send all the cars over 10 years old there too.

Gee, some V-tails are older than most people in this group.

Hint for the slow: We're talking USED aircraft.


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Old November 13th 03, 03:43 PM
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"Jeff" wrote in message ...
the SR22 is also a 310 HP engine correct?
what size engine is in the bonanzas?


IO-520-BB is 285, the IO-550 is 300

Add a Tornado Alley Whirlwind and keep those numbers up to 20,000 feet.


 




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