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Old April 21st 06, 02:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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In article . net, Doug
Palmer wrote:

100 LL just jumped from $3.82 to $4.54 at our airport, and at HAF we
traditionally represent the lower costs for our area (SF Bay) Where will it
end? to the pessimists in the room this feels like the begning of the end
for those of us who pinch our pennies to get a little air time in once or
twice a week. It doesn't seem that long ago that it was just above $2/Gal.

Flying less in CA
D


Well, we could always finish up this trial and start making our own
fuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Depolymerization

That's _make_, not pump and refine.
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Old April 21st 06, 02:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
: You've got a loooooong way to go before you match the $10 we pay here in
: Greece, along with incredible restrictions on all aspects of GA as well.

: That's just because you *chose* to tax the fuel up to $10/gal.

Not to degenerate this to a political argument, but numerous studies have been
done to determine the "true" price of gasoline in the U.S.... not what the pump price
is. The studies vary, but usually it adds an additional $2-$6/gallon that we pay for
the fuel, only indirectly through other taxes.

-Cory

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Old April 21st 06, 02:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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Not to degenerate this to a political argument, but numerous studies have been
done to determine the "true" price of gasoline in the U.S.... not what the pump price
is. The studies vary, but usually it adds an additional $2-$6/gallon that we pay for
the fuel, only indirectly through other taxes.


Could you expand on that, please?
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Old April 21st 06, 03:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
: You've got a loooooong way to go before you match the $10 we pay here
in
: Greece, along with incredible restrictions on all aspects of GA as
well.

: That's just because you *chose* to tax the fuel up to $10/gal.

Not to degenerate this to a political argument, but numerous studies have
been
done to determine the "true" price of gasoline in the U.S.... not what the
pump price
is. The studies vary, but usually it adds an additional $2-$6/gallon that
we pay for
the fuel, only indirectly through other taxes.

-Cory

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* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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Hey!!!!!!!!!
I'm a VPI&SU grad, 1974, BSc Mechanical Engineering!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Old April 21st 06, 03:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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You've got a loooooong way to go before you match the $10 we pay here in
Greece, along with incredible restrictions on all aspects of GA as well.


That's just because you *chose* to tax the fuel up to $10/gal.

-Robert


You DO realize how funny that came out, right???


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Old April 21st 06, 03:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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IS User wrote:
That's _make_, not pump and refine.


Eventually you will see more of this type of processing waste
into energy. But you must realize that it would take a massive
contruction effort to build enough of these plants to make even
a small dent in the total oil needs of the United States.

There are infastructure issues to be dealt with as well such as
the collection and transportation of all of this waste to get
to these facilities. Thinking that "making" oil iright around
the corner and so there is no further need to explore and produce
additional oil reserves for the country's needs is pure ignorance.

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Old April 21st 06, 04:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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On 2006-04-21, ktbr wrote:
Eventually you will see more of this type of processing waste
into energy. But you must realize that it would take a massive
contruction effort to build enough of these plants to make even
a small dent in the total oil needs of the United States.


What would likely happen is market forces would cause a migration rather
than a big conscious effort to build these things. Additionally, the
economics of things like thermal depolymerisation are different - it's
not so much as the traditional having a huge oil well, going to a huge
refinery. The best infrastructure would probably to have the plants
on-site where the waste is already. Such as the one right next to the
Butterball factory.

But, say, $100/barrel oil will ensure that companies go prospecting for
more oil. Suddenly, oil sources that weren't economical become
economical - as do alternate fuels - when oil isn't as cheap as it is
today (and for what you can get out of oil, it's still cheap stuff at
$70 a barrel).

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Old April 21st 06, 04:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...

"Doug" wrote in message
oups.com...
There is no limit really. Name something else you can put in a tank and
burn that is less expensive. Alchohol? Biodiesel? Electric? Right now,
all of those are more. There is a pretty good chance it will go back
down, SOME. But I doubt we will ever see it under $2 again.


That's what they were saying in the 70's during the oil embargo... It will
come down.


And in 1981 onward, IT DID!



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Old April 21st 06, 04:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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But, say, $100/barrel oil will ensure that companies go prospecting for
more oil. Suddenly, oil sources that weren't economical become
economical - as do alternate fuels - when oil isn't as cheap as it is
today (and for what you can get out of oil, it's still cheap stuff at
$70 a barrel).


It's feasible to prospect and drill for oil if the world market price hits
$35 or more. It's double that now. Problem is the environuts will not let it
happen

We're now at the point that tar sands are feasible and coming into the range
that shale is profitable. Just a ways from me is enough shale that makes
much of the middle east seem like pikers. Canada has more oil in tar sands
than Saudia Arabia has.

As the economics get past the size scales and learning curves, thigs could
well change dramatically.

Imagine the towelheads losing their grip and their market. :~)




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Old April 21st 06, 05:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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Not to degenerate this to a political argument, but numerous studies have been
done to determine the "true" price of gasoline in the U.S


Sounds like something Al Frankin or Michael Moore would say. Does "true
cost" include buying a new Lexus for illegal aliens?

-Robert

 




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