How *was* AOPA Expo?

Even though I live 20 minutes from HFD, I missed the show!

I saw the outside display Friday morning, but due to other commitments,
never got to the Convention Center. Last minute changes to my schedule
even caused me to miss my type club's lunch Friday afternoon.

I wasn't able to put together a R.A.P. get-together. If you expressed
interest in past weeks, you didn't miss it. G


So, how was it?

On Oct 10, 7:38 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Even though I live 20 minutes from HFD, I missed the show!
.......
I wasn't able to put together a R.A.P. get-together. If you expressed
interest in past weeks, you didn't miss it. G

So, how was it?

It was quite nice. We only spent one day there and could attend
only one talk, checked out about 60% of the booths and spent about one
hour checking out the outside display.

It was a nice unexpected bonus for me to get Patty Wagstaff's
autograph. I signed up for Project Mentor with a student pilot and we
each got a little backpack. Patrick, my mentee seemed to enjoy the
show tremendously. I hope the experience will boost his enthusiasm and
commitment to aviation. He is jumping through hoops now trying to get
his medical after a surprise episode of atrial fibrillation.

I was quite impressed with the static display. Few years ago when
we attended the APOPA expo in Philadelphia, sport planes were unheard
of and I don't recall seeing a VLJ. Now, there are so many
manufacturers and models to choose from. I find it amusing that as I
was leaving the gate heading back to the convention center, I had the
last look at all the planes and the only one that I wanted to take
home was the yellow Top Cub on floats. To me, it speaks of carefree
and fun adventures, of leisure flights, of exploring the sky and
water. I will have to check the payload to see if it can carry my
scuba gear ;-)

BTW, thank you for mentioning about the microbreweries in Hartford.
We walked to the City Steam Brewery Cafe and had a delightful after
show dinner there. I had a city steam blonde export lager. It was
quite good.

Hai Longworth

On Oct 10, 6:38 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Even though I live 20 minutes from HFD, I missed the show!

I saw the outside display Friday morning, but due to other commitments,
never got to the Convention Center. Last minute changes to my schedule
even caused me to miss my type club's lunch Friday afternoon.

I wasn't able to put together a R.A.P. get-together. If you expressed
interest in past weeks, you didn't miss it. G

So, how was it?

I went on Friday, and was impressed by the displays at the convention
center. The mockups of the PiperJet and CirrusJet were very cool. The
CirrusJet was a lot roomier than I thought and better looking in
person. Diamond's DA50 mockup was there - nice plane. Most impressive
were the static displays at the airport. There must have been 10
different Light Sport acft on display. The Eclipse 500 and ECJ were
there as was Cessna's Mustang. Wasn't expecting the warm temps in
October - mid-80's.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message ...
So, how was it?

I had a terific time, drove in and stayed for all three days. I try to
catch the shows on the East Coast and this one was well represented. The
airport was IMC before lunch each morning, but the grass overflow area had a
good showing of planes. I walked the booths on Thu and Sat, the visitor
count seemed the same on both days, lighter than Philly or Atlantic City.
Someone said the aisle space was bigger, I think that's wishful thinking.

There were lots of things to crawl into. Diamond brought their D-jet, their
DA50 five seater, and a D-jet sim with full panel & 180 deg projection, in a
blackout booth. The DA50-IO550 looks like a sweet ride, 3 gull wing doors,
very roomy, car type air conditioning controls, and since the seats are
fixed they have electric motors to move the pedals and another to move the
stick. Entry point estimate is $600K, so I'll just move along.

Epic and Cirrus had their V-tail jet mockup, and Piper brought theirs too.
This time the sales people kept their mouths shut on the insurance numbers.
I think $25K per year scared too many buyers.

Cessna displayed the TDI diesel, claimed they were no longer shipping any
non-glass planes, and the line at their LSA was five to ten people every
time I passed. I did find time to sit inside and it's another LSA I've
crossed off my list. Just like the 152 the legroom is terrible. A manual
jackscrew moves the pedals forward, but not nearly enough. The whole seat
mold tilts forward for rear access so a ground adjustable second or third
pivot slot seems
engineerable. But the headroom is poor too. Looking left or right required
me to tilt my head way down. The all black interior made it difficult to see
the interior details, but the panel is a beauty. Cessna hit a homerun with
that.

There are more and more glass replacement boxes being displayed every show.
I was worried that our 30+ yo airframes would just devalue rapidly, as
younger/future buyers who are being trained in glass would never consider
owning a round dial plane. Two more years and we should have a good
selection of glass replacement boxes in the $15-20K range, with all the
goodies. That's about the same price as an HSI upgrade today. I noted in
another post that the Aspen boys introduced their TSO'd Killer App (AI/DG
slide in glass replacement) at Osh, but they are still doing some flight
tests with the FAA. This company is already shipping to dealers (for demo I
guess), but noted that the FAA told them to change some of the button
pushing sequences, so the cert effort is still in progress.

The biggest disappointment of the show was the large number of LSAs on
display with only Remos G3 highwing having demo models. With so few LSAs
being available at the FBOs, I would think this venue is the perfect place
for general exposure. The problem is the American Importers are using the
"solo
owner/dealer pyramid scheme" to market their aircraft. They fly their planes
to the show, display them, and try to sell you on buying it as a "dealer" so
you can show it in your area. That's great, but you have to pony up the cash
(they won't give you the whole commis off), and you may wind up with the
wrong or out of date model (specs & designs are changing so fast) and have
to dump it at a loss. The other issue is the dealer support and warranty
support, sometimes sole sourced thru one A&P facility who "made a deal with
the importer". Many of the delivery dates are 3 to 4 months out and the
importers are not set up for parts support. The LSA arena is still like the
Wild West, but I'm sure there's futunes to be made.

On the up side, I was very impressed with the Remos G3 LSA. The nearest comp
is the CT-SW, and the Remos G3 seems far more refined and stable in flight.
It did not display the CTs jittery or skittish handling at hi power/hi
speed, maybe the longer tailboom helps here (i didn't measure, but the CT
seems to have a short coupled tail section). The Remos G3 also did not need
as much rudder action at turn initiation, but it did use a good amount of
right rudder on climbout. We had tailwind on takeoff and landing, only about
5-7 kt, but the G3 was up at the first turnoff. I'm finding that these LSAs
are mostly overpowered with their 100hp rotaxs, and when the 80hp rotax gets
night approval it'll be plenty for most (lower octane fuel too). I basically
overcontrolled the G3 until I found out that 1 inch throw was more than
required for most maneuvers. After leveloff we did some slowflight and it
just floated along, with plenty of rudder to pick up either wing, and
straight ahead stall that was a little too benign. I mean that we got almost
no buffet, we were I'm guessing 15 deg nose high way below the white arc,
and at the break point it nosed over to about 15 deg nose down and I'm
flying again. Nothing really required on my part but to neutralize the
stick. I didn't get to try power on or accelerated stalls, I think they
would have revealed more. Thirty deg turns in either direction wanted just a
hint of rudder, and trimmed out I was able to release the stick without any
tendency to either level out or roll over further. I always thought planes
were suppose to roll back to level, this one just held its bank. I like
steep turns, but always add a bit of power and then still typically find
myself sliding off the wing with a need to shallow the bank at least once or
twice. Not with the Remos G3, it rolled in crisply and stopped the roll
promptly when I centered the stick (no over center required). She was rock
steady at 45 deg all the way around with mild stick back and no added power.
The light stick forces are a bit to get used to, especially if you're a
Beech guy fighting the springs all the time.

The most surprising of the demo was our return, were we decided we wanted to
get in before the other G3 demo guy. We were at 2700, and needing to be at
1200, the demo pilot suggested a power on decent. As we were descending the
ASI was climbing thru the yellow, and the demo pilot stops me from reaching
for the throttle. I trim and ask if he's flown it this fast before, to which
I got "oh yeah, no problem". Next I feel him nudge the stick a little
further forward and we're about 5 or 10kt shy of Vne, "trim it there" he
says. I trim it and the Remos is rock steady. I've never flown any plane in
the upper half of the yellow before without significant vibration or mild
shake. The Remos G3 gave no such complaint or warning, no excessive wind, no
engine at redline, if I wasn't looking at the ASI I would not have been able
to tell our speed. I am reserving judgement if this is a good or bad
quality, but I'm leaning to good.

The last surprise was the recovery from the hi speed decent, I pull back the
power and am expecting a major nose down moment, but I didn't get it. The
plane just started slowing down like I had a drag chute out. I kept the
decent angle going for a bit more while bleeding off AS and begin a level
off, and the next time I look at the ASI I'm at the top of the white, in a
wide right base for runway 02. The remainder of the flight was unremarkable.
I came in a bit hot, full flaps, speed bled off quickly, and even with the
tailwind I was off at the second turn.

My observation is that this Remos G3 is the best handling LSA I've flow to
date. I highly recommend a demo flight, and please do not be in a rush to
buy the CT-SW, until you've flown the Remos G3. There is that much of a
difference.

Final observation: The LSAs all seem to have one thing in common which is
biting a lot of the Hi-perf PPLs stepping down, they lose energy very
rapidly. I had not noticed this on any of my landing demos because I was
expecting it. This Remos demo and its recovery from a power on dive made
this point bigtime. And it clearly explains why many longtime problem free
pilot/owners are pronging so many LSAs on landing. I'm not a CFI, but I
think landing practice should be the focus for any of these birds and
birdmen.