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Old September 12th 08, 10:21 AM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Pak army ordered to hit back US forces
Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:05:21

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?i...onid=351020401

The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.

Army Spokesman Maj Gen Athar Abbas confirmed the orders in a brief
interview with Geo News on late Thursday night.

The decision was made on the first day of the two-day meeting of
Pakistan's top military commanders to discuss the US coalition's
ground and air assault in Waziristan region which killed dozens of
civilians.

Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani chaired the meeting which
began in Rawalpindi on Thursday at the Army General Headquarters.

Pakistan's military commanders expressed their determination to defend
the country's borders without allowing any external forces to conduct
operations inside the tribal belt bordering Afghanistan, sources
said.

A senior official said the military commanders also discussed the
implications of the American attacks inside Pakistan and took stock of
the public feeling.

"In his statement, Genral Kayani has represented the feeling of the
entire nation, as random attacks inside Pakistan have angered each and
every Pakistani," he said.

Earlier on Wednesday, Kayani rebuffed the American policy of including
Pakistani territory in their operations against the al-Qaeda and
Taliban linked militants hiding in the areas near Afghan border.

Also, Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani noted that Kayani's
remarks on country's defense were true reflection of the government
policy.

The army decision followed bloody incursions by the US ground troops
into tribal belt as well as a string of missile strikes by CIA-
operated drone aircraft.

The reaction also comes after US President George W. Bush approved US
military raids on militants inside Pakistan without Islamabad's
agreement.

The development also brought into the open the increasing mistrust
between the Americans and the Pakistanis over how to handle the
Taliban and al-Qaeda linked militants in Pakistan's tribal areas.

Some political expert predict the break out of an all-out war between
the United States troops and Pakistani army following the Bush
administration's approval of ground and air assaults inside the
country.



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Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 2:09 AM


http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?i...onid=351020401

Suspected US missile kills 12 in Pakistan
Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:31:31


At least a dozen people have been reportedly killed and several others
injured in a suspected US missile attack on northwestern Pakistan.

The missile landed in a house in a residential area in Tol Khel on the
outskirts of Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan district, a
local official said.

"The pre-dawn strike destroyed the house and 11 or 12 people were
killed," official added.

According to the sources, the attack was aimed to target the hideouts
of militants in the area.

The victims, however, are reportedly mostly civilians including women
and children.

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Subject: Commentary: Pakistan's existential crisis by Arnaud de
Borchgrave
To:
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 9:58 AM


http://www.upi.com/International_Sec...l_crisis/7442/



Subject: Commentary: Pakistan 's existential crisis

Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008



Commentary: Pakistan 's existential crisis By ARNAUD DE BORCHGRAVE,
UPI Editor at Large



WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 (UPI) -- Alarm bells suddenly went off in
government offices from Washington to Ottawa to London to The Hague
when Pakistan's newly minted democratic government, after almost nine
years of military rule, suddenly closed the border to all NATO
resupply traffic to Afghanistan.



NATO and U.S. troops in Afghanistan are resupplied by endless
convoys of trucks that snake over 1,200 miles through Peshawar and the
Khyber Pass to reach Kabul and points north and east, and over 600
miles for the more direct route through Quetta, the capital of
Baluchistan, and Chaman on the border to reach Kandahar and points
south and west in Afghanistan. Oil, food, heavy equipment, hospital
supplies -- all are trucked at a cost of $1 million a day in Pakistani
road tolls.



This was Pakistan 's retaliatory action for a U.S. Special Forces
raid against Taliban and al-Qaida targets in the lawless tribal border
areas. In conjunction with Predator drones that drop precision guided
bombs, the raid came up empty, but once again civilians took the hits,
including women and children.



Pakistan 's new ambassador to the United States , Husain Haqqani,
made clear there would be no more Predator bombings or Special Forces
raids into the seven Federally Administered Tribal Areas, where
Taliban and al-Qaida operate with near-impunity, unless they are done
with Pakistan 's OK. And Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Kayani made clear this
would not be forthcoming.



Cross-border commando raids, Kayani said, only stoked the fires of
anti-American resentment, not only in FATA, but throughout Pakistan .
Trouble is Pakistan 's new President Asif Zardari had told the Bush
administration it would be forthcoming -- with a wink and a nod from
him, now that he has the same powers as outgoing military dictator
Gen. Pervez Musharraf.



Some U.S. intelligence analysts began to suspect that the Taliban
deliberately shows U.S. spies-in-the-sky what could be interpreted as
a busy guerrilla venue in FATA, and then makes sure there are lots of
women and children at the site when the bomb drops. In World War II,
German submarines in the Atlantic , cornered by sonar and depth
charges, would release tattered uniforms and detritus to make believe
the U-Boat had sunk.



There was also a little matter of unpaid border tolls and Washington
cut a check for $365 million in record time -- and traffic resumed
bumping along rutted roads through some of the poorest villages on
Earth, competing for space with donkey carts and camel-drawn rigs.



Last week's Special Forces surprise attack against a Taliban target
was a first for U.S. forces, and also a first for a new Bush
administration policy that authorizes operations inside FATA without
any green light from the Pakistani side. The United States had grown
tired of Pakistani pledges to take care of the Taliban in FATA. The
Pakistani army had also grown tired of taking casualties while
fighting their own people. The final straw was a cease-fire order from
Kayani during the holy month of Ramadan, which, of course, gave the
Taliban time to regroup and plan their next operations with impunity.



U.S. patience was at an end. The Taliban had announced it was
planning for a 20-year insurgency campaign to victory while NATO's
only member nations doing the fighting in Afghanistan -- Canada ,
Britain , and Holland -- said they were authorized by their
parliaments for two more years, and then out. In a country the size of
France or Texas , the outgoing NATO commander said the Afghan mission
required at least 400,000 troops. Current in-country force: 60,000.
The withdrawal of 8,000 U.S. troops from Iraq would allow for the
transfer of another brigade to Afghanistan , still a far cry from rock-
bottom requirements.



Pakistan is fighting an existential threat comparable to 1971 when
Pakistanis lost half their country in a war with India . East
Pakistan, separated by 1,000 miles of Indian territory, became
Bangladesh . This traumatic shock to the body politic also sparked
Pakistan 's drive for nuclear power.



Now Pakistan is fighting a large-scale insurgency against a wing of
the Taliban that has spilled out of FATA into the North-West Frontier
province and beyond with attacks on the army's principal ordnance
plant and other army installations.



The army has also taken its licks in FATA -- 1,400 killed and 4,000
injured. Steeped in infantry and tank-warfare tactics for war with
India , the army is ill-equipped for counterinsurgency. It is not
ready for low-intensity conflict. And in FATA, the army is seen as an
alien force.



For most of its 61 years as an independent nation, the army has been
Pakistan 's most respected institution, and it has been in power for
half the country's lifetime. But polls now show the army as the
country's least respected institution after journalists and lawyers.



Shuja Nawaz, the author of a current best-seller on the Pakistani
army ("Crossed Swords," Oxford University Press), says there is
nationwide turmoil but no real debate on what kind of Pakistan the
people want. "The national pastime is the blame game." FATA, he
reminds us, became Taliban and al-Qaida territory through half a
century of neglect. These tribal areas became the Petri dish for the
Taliban in both Afghanistan and Pakistan , and for the "education" of
young jihadis right out of some 12,000 madrassas, or Koranic schools.



The Pakistani economy is in a free fall with inflation at an official
30 percent, but closer to 60 percent. The average family now spends
more than half its income on food. Almost nine years of military rule
spawned some 200 military officers as heads of all major civilian
agencies of government. Kayani has ordered all such officers in
civilian endeavors to return to barracks. But it's hard to untangle
these links and find suitable civilians to do these jobs, hence a semi-
paralyzed bureaucracy.



In authorizing last week's raid into South Waziristan , one of seven
tribal agencies on the Afghan border, President Bush was testing the
boundaries of the new government -- and the authority of Zardari over
the army.



In Afghanistan , the future of the Atlantic alliance is at stake. In
Pakistan , the state itself is at stake.




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Old September 12th 08, 10:26 AM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.


How?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.



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Old September 12th 08, 11:38 AM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Sep 12, 5:26*am, "William Black"
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"NOMOREWARFORISRAEL" wrote in message

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The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.


How?

--
William Black


Hot pursuit into Afghanistan? I wonder how much of this is for
public consumption. The Pakistanis can't very well admit they're
allowing the US to invade their contry.
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Old September 12th 08, 12:38 PM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Sep 12, 5:26 am, "William Black"
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"NOMOREWARFORISRAEL" wrote in message

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The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.


How?

--
William Black


Hot pursuit into Afghanistan? I wonder how much of this is for
public consumption. The Pakistanis can't very well admit they're
allowing the US to invade their contry.

------------------

Why not?

They've admitted that the locals up in the hills gave their army a bloody
nose last year...

The election confirmed the secular authorities in power (for a given value
of 'secular' here) and so more or less ratified some sort of campaign
against the religious maniacs and also more or less sanctioned working with
the USA.

The major problem in Pakistan is the army, and especially the ISI, who
seem to be essentially independent of the civil power and in a position to
do what they want, up top and including to taking over the government
again.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.




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Old September 12th 08, 12:47 PM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Sep 12, 7:38*am, "William Black"
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wrote in message

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On Sep 12, 5:26 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"NOMOREWARFORISRAEL" wrote in message


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The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.


How?


--
William Black


* * * * Hot pursuit into Afghanistan? I wonder how much of this is for
public consumption. The Pakistanis can't very well admit they're
allowing the US to invade their contry.

------------------

Why not?

They've admitted that the locals up in the hills gave their army a bloody
nose last year...

The election confirmed the secular authorities in power (for a given value
of 'secular' here) and so more or less ratified some sort of campaign
against the religious maniacs and also more or less sanctioned working with
the USA.

The major problem in Pakistan is the army, *and especially the ISI, *who
seem to be essentially independent of the civil power and in a position to
do what they want, *up top and including to taking over the government
again.

--
William Black



An independent military seems to be a major problem in many third
world countries. My point was that how many govts say one thing for
public consumption while doing the opposite behind the scenes? It's
not like the Pakistani Army operates freely in the tribal areas.
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Old September 12th 08, 08:10 PM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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William Black wrote:
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The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.



How?


Large amounts of flying lead..........

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Old September 12th 08, 09:17 PM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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"Tiger" wrote in message
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William Black wrote:
"NOMOREWARFORISRAEL" wrote in message
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The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.



How?


Large amounts of flying lead..........


I can't see that doing them much good, except as some sort of reverse target
designation system...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.



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Old September 12th 08, 11:59 PM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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William Black wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message
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William Black wrote:

"NOMOREWARFORISRAEL" wrote in message
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The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.


How?


Large amounts of flying lead..........



I can't see that doing them much good, except as some sort of reverse target
designation system...


No, but in the long run you lose cooperation. The locals become more
aniti US. And perhap the Paki's start shooting those UAV's rather than
just watch them fly over. We Also have ****ed off the Afgans on our side
of the border by killing too many civies.

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Old September 13th 08, 12:57 AM posted to sci.military.naval,alt.military,us.military.army,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default Pak army ordered to hit back US forces


"Tiger" wrote in message
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William Black wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message
...

William Black wrote:

"NOMOREWARFORISRAEL" wrote in message
...



The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.


How?


Large amounts of flying lead..........



I can't see that doing them much good, except as some sort of reverse
target designation system...


No, but in the long run you lose cooperation. The locals become more aniti
US.


They can't get more anti-US

And perhap the Paki's start shooting those UAV's rather than just watch
them fly over.


They might shoot, I doubt they'd hit any, and even if they did, who'd
care?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.



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On Sep 12, 7:57*pm, "William Black"
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"Tiger" wrote in message

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William Black wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message
...


William Black wrote:


"NOMOREWARFORISRAEL" wrote in message
...


The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any
unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the
country.


How?


Large amounts of flying lead..........


I can't see that doing them much good, except as some sort of reverse
target designation system...


No, but in the long run you lose cooperation. The locals become more aniti
US.


They can't get more anti-US

And perhap the Paki's start shooting those UAV's rather than just watch
them fly over.


They might shoot, *I doubt they'd hit any, *and even if they did, *who'd
care?

--
William Black


The drone operator might get a headache.......
 




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