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Old January 1st 21, 12:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Modern sailplanes have evolved through the years and many older have lasted the test of time. During the 1970's Schelicher produced what I call the, "Greatest Of All Time", the ASW20. Production began around 1977 and immediately sailplane pilots were joining the ranks of owning the sleek beautiful glider. The early models, incorporated a wonderful flap system that allowed the pilot to land in places that were usually out of reach for other sailplanes. Dragging that 20 in with those full landing flaps was truly impressive. Some had problems with the flaps, yes they were to be respected and if used improperly could and did result in deadly accidents.
There were over 900 ASW20's built including wing extension models know as the L. The early models were fantastic to fly, offering a floppy wing as we called it, which was impressive to watch during pull up from most any speed.. Later models were changed to a lesser flap configuration and much stiffer wings.
In comparison, the other most competitive 15 meter ship was the LS3, which was released in 1976, total production numbers were 429. This was a great flying glider but lacked the success of the ASW20.
By comparison The ASW27 was released in 1997 with 237 produced units and the LS6 came along in 1983 with 375 produced units.
Having owned or flown all the mentioned gliders I would say that the ASW20 was the Greatest Of All Time and even today has survived the test of time, very gracefully I might add.
How would you rate the GOAT? Bob
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Old January 1st 21, 02:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default GOAT ASW20

wrote on 1/1/2021 4:49 AM:
Modern sailplanes have evolved through the years and many older have lasted the test of time. During the 1970's Schelicher produced what I call the, "Greatest Of All Time", the ASW20. Production began around 1977 and immediately sailplane pilots were joining the ranks of owning the sleek beautiful glider. The early models, incorporated a wonderful flap system that allowed the pilot to land in places that were usually out of reach for other sailplanes. Dragging that 20 in with those full landing flaps was truly impressive. Some had problems with the flaps, yes they were to be respected and if used improperly could and did result in deadly accidents.
There were over 900 ASW20's built including wing extension models know as the L. The early models were fantastic to fly, offering a floppy wing as we called it, which was impressive to watch during pull up from most any speed.. Later models were changed to a lesser flap configuration and much stiffer wings.
In comparison, the other most competitive 15 meter ship was the LS3, which was released in 1976, total production numbers were 429. This was a great flying glider but lacked the success of the ASW20.
By comparison The ASW27 was released in 1997 with 237 produced units and the LS6 came along in 1983 with 375 produced units.
Having owned or flown all the mentioned gliders I would say that the ASW20 was the Greatest Of All Time and even today has survived the test of time, very gracefully I might add.
How would you rate the GOAT? Bob

I owned an ASW20C for 11 years. It had the same floppy wings as the original ASW20 (it was the
B models that had the stiffer wings and could carry more ballast) but with blowhole
turbulators, and 40 deg flaps instead of the original 60 deg flaps. The flaps were still very
powerful, and the Cleveland disc brake on the B and C models was a spectacular improvement over
the original drum brake, making it a worthwhile tradeoff for the smaller landing flap deflection.

I liked it so much, I ordered an ASH26E self-launcher before it had flown, just based on how
good the ASW20C was.

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Old January 1st 21, 03:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default GOAT ASW20

On 1/1/21 7:14 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 1/1/2021 4:49 AM:
Modern sailplanes have evolved through the years and many older have
lasted the test of time. During the 1970's Schelicher produced what I
call the, "Greatest Of All Time", the ASW20. Production began around
1977 and immediately sailplane pilots were joining the ranks of owning
the sleek beautiful glider. The early models, incorporated a wonderful
flap system that allowed the pilot to land in places that were usually
out of reach for other sailplanes. Dragging that 20 in with those full
landing flaps was truly impressive. Some had problems with the flaps,
yes they were to be respected and if used improperly could and did
result in deadly accidents.
There were over 900 ASW20's built including wing extension models know
as the L. The early models were fantastic to fly, offering a floppy
wing as we called it, which was impressive to watch during pull up
from most any speed.. Later models were changed to a lesser flap
configuration and much stiffer wings.
In comparison, the other most competitive 15 meter ship was the LS3,
which was released in 1976, total production numbers were 429. This
was a great flying glider but lacked the success of the ASW20.
By comparison The ASW27 was released in 1997 with 237 produced units
and the LS6 came along in 1983 with 375 produced units.
Having owned or flown all the mentioned gliders I would say that the
ASW20 was the Greatest Of All Time and even today has survived the
test of time, very gracefully I might add.
How would you rate the GOAT? Bob

I owned an ASW20C for 11 years. It had the same floppy wings as the
original ASW20 (it was the B models that had the stiffer wings and could
carry more ballast) but with blowhole turbulators, and 40 deg flaps
instead of the original 60 deg flaps. The flaps were still very
powerful, and the Cleveland disc brake on the B and C models was a
spectacular improvement over the original drum brake, making it a
worthwhile tradeoff for the smaller landing flap deflection.

I liked it so much, I ordered an ASH26E self-launcher before it had
flown, just based on how good the ASW20C was.


I only flew a -20 one time. Swapped with 5Z. I liked my LS-6a better,
he liked his -20 better. Go figure...

--
Dan
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Old January 1st 21, 05:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default GOAT ASW20

On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 7:11:59 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 1/1/21 7:14 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 1/1/2021 4:49 AM:
Modern sailplanes have evolved through the years and many older have
lasted the test of time. During the 1970's Schelicher produced what I
call the, "Greatest Of All Time", the ASW20. Production began around
1977 and immediately sailplane pilots were joining the ranks of owning
the sleek beautiful glider. The early models, incorporated a wonderful
flap system that allowed the pilot to land in places that were usually
out of reach for other sailplanes. Dragging that 20 in with those full
landing flaps was truly impressive. Some had problems with the flaps,
yes they were to be respected and if used improperly could and did
result in deadly accidents.
There were over 900 ASW20's built including wing extension models know
as the L. The early models were fantastic to fly, offering a floppy
wing as we called it, which was impressive to watch during pull up
from most any speed.. Later models were changed to a lesser flap
configuration and much stiffer wings.
In comparison, the other most competitive 15 meter ship was the LS3,
which was released in 1976, total production numbers were 429. This
was a great flying glider but lacked the success of the ASW20.
By comparison The ASW27 was released in 1997 with 237 produced units
and the LS6 came along in 1983 with 375 produced units.
Having owned or flown all the mentioned gliders I would say that the
ASW20 was the Greatest Of All Time and even today has survived the
test of time, very gracefully I might add.
How would you rate the GOAT? Bob

I owned an ASW20C for 11 years. It had the same floppy wings as the
original ASW20 (it was the B models that had the stiffer wings and could
carry more ballast) but with blowhole turbulators, and 40 deg flaps
instead of the original 60 deg flaps. The flaps were still very
powerful, and the Cleveland disc brake on the B and C models was a
spectacular improvement over the original drum brake, making it a
worthwhile tradeoff for the smaller landing flap deflection.

I liked it so much, I ordered an ASH26E self-launcher before it had
flown, just based on how good the ASW20C was.

I only flew a -20 one time. Swapped with 5Z. I liked my LS-6a better,
he liked his -20 better. Go figure...

--
Dan
5J


I own an early ASW20. I absolutely love it! But am considering upgrading for competition. Possibly an ASW27 or other Scleicher model.
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Old January 1st 21, 08:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default GOAT ASW20

If anyone has an ASW20 “C” model with a clamshell trailer they want to sell, please contact me.
I might be interested, as Bob Barker used to say, “if the price is right!”.
John U.
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Old January 1st 21, 09:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default GOAT ASW20

On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 10:11:59 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 1/1/21 7:14 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 1/1/2021 4:49 AM:
Modern sailplanes have evolved through the years and many older have
lasted the test of time. During the 1970's Schelicher produced what I
call the, "Greatest Of All Time", the ASW20. Production began around
1977 and immediately sailplane pilots were joining the ranks of owning
the sleek beautiful glider. The early models, incorporated a wonderful
flap system that allowed the pilot to land in places that were usually
out of reach for other sailplanes. Dragging that 20 in with those full
landing flaps was truly impressive. Some had problems with the flaps,
yes they were to be respected and if used improperly could and did
result in deadly accidents.
There were over 900 ASW20's built including wing extension models know
as the L. The early models were fantastic to fly, offering a floppy
wing as we called it, which was impressive to watch during pull up
from most any speed.. Later models were changed to a lesser flap
configuration and much stiffer wings.
In comparison, the other most competitive 15 meter ship was the LS3,
which was released in 1976, total production numbers were 429. This
was a great flying glider but lacked the success of the ASW20.
By comparison The ASW27 was released in 1997 with 237 produced units
and the LS6 came along in 1983 with 375 produced units.
Having owned or flown all the mentioned gliders I would say that the
ASW20 was the Greatest Of All Time and even today has survived the
test of time, very gracefully I might add.
How would you rate the GOAT? Bob

I owned an ASW20C for 11 years. It had the same floppy wings as the
original ASW20 (it was the B models that had the stiffer wings and could
carry more ballast) but with blowhole turbulators, and 40 deg flaps
instead of the original 60 deg flaps. The flaps were still very
powerful, and the Cleveland disc brake on the B and C models was a
spectacular improvement over the original drum brake, making it a
worthwhile tradeoff for the smaller landing flap deflection.

I liked it so much, I ordered an ASH26E self-launcher before it had
flown, just based on how good the ASW20C was.

I only flew a -20 one time. Swapped with 5Z. I liked my LS-6a better,
he liked his -20 better. Go figure...

--
Dan
5J

Dan, if you had flown the 20 twice you would have traded the LS-6 for a 20. Oh, I did help Paul with the LAC yesterday all went well. Bob
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Old January 1st 21, 10:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
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Default GOAT ASW20

On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 7:49:51 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Modern sailplanes have evolved through the years and many older have lasted the test of time. During the 1970's Schelicher produced what I call the, "Greatest Of All Time", the ASW20. Production began around 1977 and immediately sailplane pilots were joining the ranks of owning the sleek beautiful glider. The early models, incorporated a wonderful flap system that allowed the pilot to land in places that were usually out of reach for other sailplanes. Dragging that 20 in with those full landing flaps was truly impressive. Some had problems with the flaps, yes they were to be respected and if used improperly could and did result in deadly accidents.
There were over 900 ASW20's built including wing extension models know as the L. The early models were fantastic to fly, offering a floppy wing as we called it, which was impressive to watch during pull up from most any speed. Later models were changed to a lesser flap configuration and much stiffer wings.
In comparison, the other most competitive 15 meter ship was the LS3, which was released in 1976, total production numbers were 429. This was a great flying glider but lacked the success of the ASW20.
By comparison The ASW27 was released in 1997 with 237 produced units and the LS6 came along in 1983 with 375 produced units.
Having owned or flown all the mentioned gliders I would say that the ASW20 was the Greatest Of All Time and even today has survived the test of time, very gracefully I might add.
How would you rate the GOAT? Bob

I am VERY biased to AS sailplanes having flown -20, -20c, -21, -24, -27, -28, -29.....they just "fly right" like US aluminum from Elmira....
I have flown some euro glass 2-seaters (older models) that were harder to fly. Not bad, just different.
I know someone that comped a HP until a handle full of years ago, went to a 20-B, now has a -27. He is happy.
Yes, a decent pilot can do well in a -20, ridge in east or strong west may need a -20B for wing loading.
Just my $0.02...
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Old January 2nd 21, 12:21 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Have to say I've got a soft spot in my heart for the LS-4. It's a lovely flyer and thermaller with near idiot (glider pilot) proof landing gear handle that makes it really difficult to pull spoilers when the gear is up.

But I really like landing flap and enjoyed my ASW-20C until I moved to my ASW-27 which is even nicer and much easier for an older guy to rig and derig.

And it's a blast motoring in full negative flap.
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Old January 2nd 21, 01:01 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default GOAT ASW20

On 1/1/21 2:05 PM, wrote:
Oh, I did help Paul with the LAC yesterday all went well. Bob


Great, thanks!

And no... The -6 is just a sweeter flying bird. Crappy heel brakes,
but goes like stink. I wonder how manyn -20s flew at Reiti, Italy. My
-6 won the world championship that year with DJ at the helm.

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Old January 2nd 21, 01:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 5:49:51 AM UTC-7, wrote:
By comparison The ASW27 was released in 1997 with 237 produced units and the LS6 came along in
1983 with 375 produced units.
Having owned or flown all the mentioned gliders I would say that the ASW20 was the Greatest Of All Time
and even today has survived the test of time, very gracefully I might add.
How would you rate the GOAT? Bob


Don't forget that the ASG-29 is really a ASW-27-18. So it's catching up to the ASW-20 numbers.

Given a choice, I'd take the '27 over a '20. But if I had a nice '20, it would be hard to justify paying to upgrade to the '27. I went from a ASW-20b, to a ASH-26E, and now own a ASW-27b. All wonderful ships.

5Z
 




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