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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
Let's say the Corp of Engineers were to build a dam somewhere and
create a new lake and went looking for hotels to be built around
the new lake. Would that be welfare?

How is that any different from any other form of corporate welfare?

Have Americans become such whores?


You can define corporate welfare in a lot of different ways.

Yes.

If a government entity decides that having more people stay in
hotels in their location will be of benefit then there are only so
many things they can do to get more people to open and run hotels.

That's one form.


Now you can argue that it isn't the governments job to promote
tourism, help create jobs, ect... but in the real world they do and
if one city or state is doing it the others have to do it to compete.

So, your answer to my second question is "yes"?

No it isn't. Welfare, at least in my mind, pay people or companies to do
nothing or pays them more for something than it is worth.

If a city spends $1,000,000 today in the hope of earning $10,000,000 in
taxes and other income over the next 10 years that's not welfare that's
investment.

That's the typical political bull**** definition of investment. Think: RISK.
Also, think: proper function of government.

No small wonder the welfare state is out of control: it's adherents are on
both sides of the aisle, and both are so adept at making BS excuses that
should make an adolescent cringe. Thank you, public
education/indoctrination.

I expect that all your comments about Chicago's Daley have just crashed.

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
Let's say the Corp of Engineers were to build a dam somewhere and
create a new lake and went looking for hotels to be built around
the new lake. Would that be welfare?

How is that any different from any other form of corporate
welfare? Have Americans become such whores?


You can define corporate welfare in a lot of different ways.

Yes.

If a government entity decides that having more people stay in
hotels in their location will be of benefit then there are only so
many things they can do to get more people to open and run hotels.

That's one form.


Now you can argue that it isn't the governments job to promote
tourism, help create jobs, ect... but in the real world they do and
if one city or state is doing it the others have to do it to
compete.

So, your answer to my second question is "yes"?

No it isn't. Welfare, at least in my mind, pay people or companies
to do nothing or pays them more for something than it is worth.

If a city spends $1,000,000 today in the hope of earning $10,000,000
in taxes and other income over the next 10 years that's not welfare
that's investment.

That's the typical political bull**** definition of investment.
Think: RISK. Also, think: proper function of government.

No small wonder the welfare state is out of control: it's adherents
are on both sides of the aisle, and both are so adept at making BS
excuses that should make an adolescent cringe. Thank you, public
education/indoctrination.

I expect that all your comments about Chicago's Daley have just
crashed.


Matt, chill down it's Friday for God's sake. As I said you can argue that
promoting tourism, helping create jobs, ect, isn't the job of government.
But as I also said in the real world that is exactly what they are doing and
if a competing communittee fails to do it that communittee is going to loose
out.

I'm going to give you an example. Our city of 20some thousand has Murphy Oil
Corp based here. They just donanted $50,000,000 to pay for the college
education of every student that graduates from the El Dorado Public School
system for the next 18 to 20 years. (Hurray for me I just saved enough to by
a plane with.)

The sourrounding communities don't have a Murphy Oil that can do that for
them. Several are scrambling right now figure out a way to compete. The idea
of a sales tax to create a similar but publicly supported program. Should
public monies be spent for this type of program? It's not up to me to tell
the next town over how to spend thier money.

BTW.... Daley's act was criminal by just about any way you want to define
it.

Yes I do, Jay, and for the times during the year when my teaching contract
has run out and I have absolutely no assurance that it will be renegotiated
for the coming semester (like during summer and winter breaks) I have an
account with a known number of dollars in it that is printed on the
unemployment forms that I get every semester. Right now it stands somewere
in the vicinity of $25 grand. That account is debited for every dollar I
draw from it, and when it goes to zero so does my unemployment check.

That's a fascinating system that does not exist in either of the
states I've owned businesses in. I like it -- although, of course,
it's all smoke and mirrors, no different than our "Social Security"
system that is neither "social", "secure", or much of a "system".

SUUURRRRE THEY CAN. You have heard of the initiative and referendum
process, yes? Or is Iowa not yet on board with these 19th century
innovations for power to the people?

Bwahahahahahahahahahhaha!

A pro-business referendum? Here? Get real. The last election of a
pro-business candidate in Johnson County occurred before I was born --
and I'm gonna be 49 this year, with luck.

You keep saying how much money is required to run for office. I agree; it
is one of the warts on our political system.

Actually, I've never commented on the cost of running for office. You
must have me confused with some other crazy innkeeper... ;-)

However, if somebody runs, and
if their message rings true with enough of the local factions, the money
will flow.

And there you have it. The politicians have done such a wonderful job
of bribing us with our own money that there is NO WAY anyone would
vote to limit taxes in support of "Workforce Development". Hell, even
the NAME of the department has been changed (from "Unemployment") to
make it politically unlikely to cut. After all, who could POSSIBLY
cut anything called "workforce development"?

But ya gotta do it. And you need to dedicate the time to do it. Or let
Mary run. I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

Now there is an idea. Hell, she wastes a good 49 hours every week
sleeping -- I'll get her on it right away...

And did you appeal it, as is your right (at least in Californicate) or did
you let that ****ant little "administrative law judge" at the first hearing
be the deciding judge? Those idiots are not really skilled in UI law; they
are picked from a group of attorneys who hope someday to land the plush job
of "real" judge.

I appealed it as high as it could go. It made no difference. I had
every fact in my favor, people willing to testify against the guy --
and it did not matter.

I'll talk to Bugsy, and if he okays the vigorish arrangement you can have as
much as you want. Just watch out for your kneecaps {;-)

Hey, Jim -- speaking of organized crime -- let's talk about the
incredibly successful new casino hotel that recently opened just two
freeway exits south of us. Let's talk about the incredible demand for
gambling that this hotel is tapping into, to the tune of millions of
dollars per MONTH.

Let's talk about the jail cell I will occupy if I respond to my
customer's demand by following suit and installing slot machines in my
meeting room...

Try explaining THAT to your kids. I can't.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

SUUURRRRE THEY CAN. You have heard of the initiative and referendum
process, yes? Or is Iowa not yet on board with these 19th century
innovations for power to the people?

Bwahahahahahahahahahhaha!

A pro-business referendum? Here? Get real. The last election of a
pro-business candidate in Johnson County occurred before I was born --
and I'm gonna be 49 this year, with luck.

Then it is about time for you to hit. A "green" (environmentally sensitive)
candidate in this mining and forestry county had NEVER been elected since
1850 until I resonated with the voters in '86 and again in '90. You just
need to make your case over and over and over again.


You keep saying how much money is required to run for office. I agree;
it
is one of the warts on our political system.

Actually, I've never commented on the cost of running for office. You
must have me confused with some other crazy innkeeper... ;-)

However, if somebody runs, and
if their message rings true with enough of the local factions, the money
will flow.

And there you have it. The politicians have done such a wonderful job
of bribing us with our own money that there is NO WAY anyone would
vote to limit taxes in support of "Workforce Development". Hell, even
the NAME of the department has been changed (from "Unemployment") to
make it politically unlikely to cut. After all, who could POSSIBLY
cut anything called "workforce development"?

No, there YOU have it. You run on a "tax cut" platform carefully disguised
as a real tax cut platform and when you get into office, you TELL the
bureaucrats that "our workforce development benefit" is now a "miserable
whore's public tit benefit". That's one of the benefits of runnng and
winning. Trust me.


But ya gotta do it. And you need to dedicate the time to do it. Or let
Mary run. I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

Now there is an idea. Hell, she wastes a good 49 hours every week
sleeping -- I'll get her on it right away...

You are letting that beautiful little lady sleep that many hours...man, I
gotta have a talk with you in July... no WONDER you've only got two kids
.... {;-)



Hey, Jim -- speaking of organized crime -- let's talk about the
incredibly successful new casino hotel that recently opened just two
freeway exits south of us. Let's talk about the incredible demand for
gambling that this hotel is tapping into, to the tune of millions of
dollars per MONTH.

Let's talk about the jail cell I will occupy if I respond to my
customer's demand by following suit and installing slot machines in my
meeting room...

My tribe's name for me is Singing Pipe. Wanna cut a deal with me for making
your hotel a reservation? Or is that making a reservation at your hotel
{;-)

Jim

Let's talk about the jail cell I will occupy if I respond to my
customer's demand by following suit and installing slot machines in my
meeting room...

My tribe's name for me is Singing Pipe. Wanna cut a deal with me for making
your hotel a reservation? Or is that making a reservation at your hotel {;-)

These aren't Indian casinos. The state(s) justified allowing
organized gambling casinos by stating that the money would go toward
education. Who could oppose fleecing the stupid amongst us, when it
meant that their money would go for "the children"?

They also limited casinos to river boats. Who could argue against
bringing back cool old paddle-wheel boats, straight out of a Mark
Twain novel?

Last month, local citizens authorized a new 1% local sales tax to --
you guessed it! -- "support the schools". All that gambling money --
and we're talking BILLIONS -- apparently isn't enough to build the
schools we need in Iowa.

And now, after a few years of allowing only river boats, they have
changed the law to state that casinos must be built "on water". Thus,
our new casino hotel is built in the middle of Iowa, far from any
navigable rivers -- on top of giant bags of water. Incredible!

And, in the final coup de grace, there is now a bill before the state
legislature to remove the "on water" requirement. Our new governor
Culver -- firmly in the pocket of organized crime -- is expected to
sign it into law.

We now have 19 casinos in Iowa -- a state with fewer people than the
Chicago metropolitan area.

It is to weep.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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BTW.... Daley's act was criminal by just about any way you want to define
it.

He was promoting tourism and other ventures, thus making Chicago
competitive.

(As long as one's own ox isn't gored).

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
Let's say the Corp of Engineers were to build a dam somewhere and
create a new lake and went looking for hotels to be built around
the new lake. Would that be welfare?

How is that any different from any other form of corporate
welfare? Have Americans become such whores?


You can define corporate welfare in a lot of different ways.

Yes.

If a government entity decides that having more people stay in
hotels in their location will be of benefit then there are only so
many things they can do to get more people to open and run hotels.

That's one form.


Now you can argue that it isn't the governments job to promote
tourism, help create jobs, ect... but in the real world they do and
if one city or state is doing it the others have to do it to
compete.

So, your answer to my second question is "yes"?

No it isn't. Welfare, at least in my mind, pay people or companies
to do nothing or pays them more for something than it is worth.

If a city spends $1,000,000 today in the hope of earning $10,000,000
in taxes and other income over the next 10 years that's not welfare
that's investment.

That's the typical political bull**** definition of investment.
Think: RISK. Also, think: proper function of government.

No small wonder the welfare state is out of control: it's adherents
are on both sides of the aisle, and both are so adept at making BS
excuses that should make an adolescent cringe. Thank you, public
education/indoctrination.

I expect that all your comments about Chicago's Daley have just
crashed.


Matt, chill down it's Friday for God's sake. As I said you can argue that
promoting tourism, helping create jobs, ect, isn't the job of government.
But as I also said in the real world that is exactly what they are doing
and if a competing communittee fails to do it that communittee is going to
loose out.

That's a fabricated world. So, again, your answer to my second question?
(Recall the basis of tax monies).

Matt Barrow wrote:

That's a fabricated world. So, again, your answer to my second
question? (Recall the basis of tax monies).

Sure it is a fabricated world but it is the world we live in.

And I understand that you don't feel it is the proper roll of government.
But government is supposed to derive its' power from the people. If the
people not only wants but expects the government to do this type thing that
doesn't make them whores. It makes them consumers of a service.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

That's a fabricated world. So, again, your answer to my second
question? (Recall the basis of tax monies).

Sure it is a fabricated world but it is the world we live in.

And I understand that you don't feel it is the proper roll of government.
But government is supposed to derive its' power from the people. If the
people not only wants but expects the government to do this type thing
that doesn't make them whores. It makes them consumers of a service.

Recall the arguments that if the will of the people was to reinstate
slavery...

Like I said, people can make excuses for _anything_. That seems to be
America's strongest function of late.

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

That's a fabricated world. So, again, your answer to my second
question? (Recall the basis of tax monies).

Sure it is a fabricated world but it is the world we live in.

And I understand that you don't feel it is the proper roll of
government. But government is supposed to derive its' power from the
people. If the people not only wants but expects the government to
do this type thing that doesn't make them whores. It makes them
consumers of a service.

Recall the arguments that if the will of the people was to reinstate
slavery...

Like I said, people can make excuses for _anything_. That seems to be
America's strongest function of late.

So then I can assume that you only drive on toll roads, send your children
to private schools, fly from a private airport, never use ATC, and any of
the thousands of "public services?"