chain of events

When did this happen?

Scary story.

mike

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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I went downstairs to the hotel restaurant and ran into a friend who
recounted a recent experience he had. He was inbound to LAX on the Civet
arrival to rwy 25R at night. His FO coupled the autopilot to the ILS about

Capt. Doug has credentials and credibility as well as a long history on this
group.

Do you?

mike

"F. Reid" wrote in message
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Stupid response?Did I not post that I got a good laugh?Pretty much all
of this story defies common sense to the point I thought it was a
joke.But I guess you would rather perpetuate internet folklore.
Classic troll my ass.Why dont you go away jerk off.

On Mar 11, 11:31 pm, "Capt.Doug" wrote:

I have flown Boeings and Airbusses, not heavies. I know it's hard for you,
being a product of public schools and all, but please keep the facts
straight. I prefer Lambourghini.

Douglas, you rascal, flying these things as a flight attendant doesnt
count.Lambourghini? Jese dude, I can barely even spell that let alone
go out and buy one.I have been through two masive rounds of
concesions.I was thinking more along the lines of a Kia.Its cheaper
AND easier to spell.

Is that as close as you can get to an
apology? Remember, I prefer Lambourghini.

Yes Doug, I am apologizing. I am sorry that you cant tell us who you
work for.Now in all seriousness Douglas, for this story to be true, it
would pretty much have to amount to careless and wreckless operation
by two airlines crews. This makes us look stupid.Is that what you
really want? Joking is one thing,But there are people on this list who
do not have enough of a backround in aviation to understand what goes
on in the cockpit of an airliner and trying to con these people is
just not right.
K Urban

D.

On 2007-03-10, Dave S wrote:
I once was a volunteer fireman for about 10 years... in that time, we
had a big snake go slithering up equipment in a substation one night.

The 'can on the pole' transformers can go with a pretty big bang too.

One night, I got back from Brazoria with a couple of friends. I was
flying a Piper Arrow - I'd just let my passenger out, and was standing
on the wing walk.

Suddenly, a brilliant flash got my attention as one of these pole
transformers exploded - a big flash, a huge shower of sparks like a
large firework, followed by a loud 'kerpow' as the sound finally
reached us. All the lights went off, and we had to put everything away
with only our feeble flashlights for lighting.

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KM schrieb:

Lambourghini? Jese dude, I can barely even spell that

Don't feel bad: He can't, either.

On Mar 11, 11:31 pm, "Capt.Doug" wrote:


I'm still waiting for that e-mail. Perhaps you could include the phone
number for your ALPA pro standards officer and save me the time of looking
it up.

Ill save you the time Doug.To respect the guys privacy, I wont mention
his name, but his intials are KH.Log onto the ALPA website, go to the
council 81 (SLC) homepage and there is his email.It so happens that I
have flown with him several times so he would be well qualified to
tell you what a jerk I am.

K. Urban

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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"KM" wrote in message I went back and read some of "Capt Doug's"
posts and he does know a bit about airliners, but his posts show a
lack of understanding of enough of the detail to actually fly
one.Judging from his posts I would say he is probably a flight
attendant at NWA who flys on the side.And I would say he spends alot
of time talking to pilots about flying.

For those of you who know me personally, this answers itself.

Cap'n, he's been trying to extract his foot from his mouth for several
posts.

KM wrote:


Bob, thanks for pointing all of this out.I think Newps was asking more
in a retorical sense because an inhibited RA does not really apply to
this story.


I was asking because I knew there were limits programmed in but didn't
know for sure where they were. We had a discussion about this at the
tower a couple of weeks ago about aircraft getting an RA due to an
aircraft on the taxiway holding short. I knew the aircraft wasn't
getting an RA, a TA perhaps.

("KM"wrote)
Douglas, you rascal, flying these things as a flight attendant doesnt
count.Lambourghini? Jese dude, I can barely even spell that let alone go
out and buy one.I have been through two masive rounds of concesions.I was
thinking more along the lines of a Kia.Its cheaper AND easier to spell.


Well, I finally figured it out.

The space bar is the one keyboard pad without any writing on it, telling you
what it's used for.


Mont Black :-)

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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I went downstairs to the hotel restaurant and ran into a friend who
recounted a recent experience he had. He was inbound to LAX on the Civet
arrival to rwy 25R at night. His FO coupled the autopilot to the ILS about
30 miles out. Approach control pointed out traffic from the northeast that
was to join the ILS for the north side's parallel runway. Everything was
routine. They were told to switch over to the tower's frequency. Then they
saw a bright flash from an explosion on the north side of the terminal.
Both
of them thought there had been a crash.

From here everything happened rapidly. They were staring so hard out the
front that they didn't notice the parallel traffic went through the
northside localizer and was heading right at them. Then the TCAS went
crazy
telling them to pull up. Then the autopilot let out with it's loud series
of
chirps. Then the captain yelled at the FO to pull up because there was no
response to the TCAS. The FO yelled back that he thought the captain had
the
controls. The captain looked out his window to see an A-340 less than 200'
below them and it was racked up at big bank angle trying to get back on
final for the north runway. Then a frantic radio call came from ATC asking
if they were still there.

The subsequent investigation revealed an interesting chain of events. The
flash came from an exploding electrical transformer. The localizer,
glideslope, and ATC radios failed momentarily until back-up power came
online. When the localizer signal failed, the A-340's autopilot didn't
have
anything to intercept and stayed on the intercept angle, which is why it
went through the final approach into the south runway's final approach.
When
the localizer failed, my friend's autopilot didn't kick-off, but changed
from approach mode into heading and pitch mode which mimics the ILS in
smooth air. The FO heard the autopilot chirps along with the TCAS warnings
and figured the captain had assumed control from him. The captain heard
the
same noises but figured the FO had kicked off the AP to perform the TCAS
instructions.

It was close. Stay safe.

D.



A Chain indeed, and well met.

That is just EXACTLY how this stuff sneaks up on you. One minute you're
on top of it, the next you're asking What?, Huh?. In hindsight, everything
is clear, but at the moment it is "who's on first".

Al G