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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
.. . Bill Denton wrote: Since you brought up anti-depressants... Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone running around with an untreated problem can? Exactly. I'd prefer to fly with a pilot who is taking Prozac than one who should be taking it and isn't. So, like, no one here actually knows the answer to the original question - or did I miss it somewhere? But, now that we have wandered off into never-never land, ADD is another example - you can get a ticket and all the medicals you want as long as it's undiagnosed and untreated. -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
No question about that. Now can somebody who's recently gone for a flight physical tell me: do they ask for any changes since the last flight physical or are you expected to regurgitate your entire history every time you go in. Mine is quite extensive and I'm not sure I can remember all of it at this point. I've had numerous I&Ds, skin grafts, orthopedic procedures and redoes in the past. Please tell me I'm not going to have to tell them all that crap all over again. OTOH, just asking for changes in the last couple of years is fair enough... especially since there's been none. I recently went and had to reenter all the info from the last medical. Good thing I brought the copy of the prior application for reference. One bit of good info is that you ALSO mark a box that says previously reported. As such, no other questions were asked about those items. I did notice it was diffictult to remember all the visits ... when/why etc. In preperation for the NEXT medical, I will be keeping a folder where I can enter all that info for next time... Kinda like a flight log for my Dr visits I guss. Mike Alexander PP-ASEL Temecula, CA See my online aerial photo album at http://flying.4alexanders.com |
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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
"JM" == Jim Macklin writes:
JM But use JM common sense, safety is the goal, do what is safe and in the JM spirit of the rules and you'll probably be OK with the law. Uh, no. Try inadvertently busting a popup VIP TFR--zero flight safety issues--and you'll see what I mean. -- "If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact. - Jack Handey |
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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
Jim Stewart wrote:
Bill Denton wrote: Since you brought up anti-depressants... Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone running around with an untreated problem can? Exactly. I'd prefer to fly with a pilot who is taking Prozac than one who should be taking it and isn't. There is a counter argument... Somebody who is chronically depressed and unmedicated is firstly perhaps unlikely to be flying anyway becuase they simply don't want to. A depressed pilot is probably less depressed when flying. Medications for the treatment of depression can have undesirable psychological effects for pilots. Two people died here locally in exactly this way, pilot was on some anti-depressant, which had known sideeffect of feelings of invincibility (of course this isn't the technical description but you get the gist), pilot didn't tell anybody nor disqualify himself, took one too many risks because he felt like he could get away with it, stall-spin-splat, pilot and passenger both bit the big one. Sometimes the treatment can cause more problems from a safety standpoint than the disease. |
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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
C J Campbell wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:49:58 -0800, Sally Grozmano wrote (in article ): Hi, I am familiar with the potential penalties for lying on the FAA medical, but was curious if anyone had any stats on *actual* convictions that have occured for this, and what the associated penalties were? It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do lie, but I never hear of actual convictions. I would expect convictions to be rare. It is difficult to prove, since your medical records are confidential. Usually, if drugs such as anti-depressants show up in your medical tests they just deny a medical certificate. One problem is just remembering when you went to the doctor to see if that mole had grown any three years ago. Filling out those medical forms implies that you have either a perfect memory or that you keep far better medical records than the average Joe. I figured this one out!!! Just before my FAA medical I go to my Dr. and ask for the "flow sheet" off the front of my chart. I don't fill in anything on the medical and hand the sheet to the AME and ask him what I should put down. They don't want to know about PAP smears, mamograms or any of those "fun" things, but they do want, gee, I don't remember what they wanted. The flow sheet really helped as I seemed to have forgotten a number of things. Margy That said, you are playing with your own life and with the lives of others if you are not medically fit to fly. |
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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
Dallas writes:
Aren't you a bit worried about Google Groups archiving this admission, with what looks like your real name, well into the next century? It doesn't contain an admission of anything. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
Dallas wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:02:20 -0500, Ron Natalie wrote: How the hell is the insurance company going to get a look at my medical application? They wouldn't need to look at your medical, they just need to find things in your medical records that are known disqualifications. The questions I have a Can an insurance company even gain access to your medical records? If you read the fine print when you sign an insurance application, I think you'll find that you've given them the right. And, can they deny coverage if the omission had nothing to do with the accident? This is a I-am-not-a-lawyer-and-this-is-not-legal-advice question. Nonetheless, I think the answer is that they *may* try, but probably not. |
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If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why can't
you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line up.Why don't you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love to chew the fat with you.... "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... Sally Grozmano wrote: Hi, I am familiar with the potential penalties for lying on the FAA medical, but was curious if anyone had any stats on *actual* convictions that have occured for this, and what the associated penalties were? It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do lie, but I never hear of actual convictions. Don't know if there are many convictions. The FAA doesn't have to go to that length, they can levy civil penalties and pull the pilot and medical certificates without having to go through any criminal action. This certainly happens, a number of unreported DUI's have ended up that way I know. The FAA did lodge criminal charges against the guys who were found to have claimed to be disabled to the SSA and not injured to the FAA. |
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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
"Barney Rubble" wrote If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why can't you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line up.Why don't you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love to chew the fat with you.... Careful how you attribute quotes. Your response makes it seem as though Ron wrote the "common knowledge" line, but it was the originator of the thread that said that. -- Jim in NC |
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Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form
On 01/23/07 14:24, Morgans wrote:
"Barney Rubble" wrote If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why can't you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line up.Why don't you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love to chew the fat with you.... Careful how you attribute quotes. Your response makes it seem as though Ron wrote the "common knowledge" line, but it was the originator of the thread that said that. I was able to easily tell that it was the OP and not Ron. FYI. For example, in this response, you (Morgans) wrote the text with a single " ", while Barney Rubble wrote the text with " ". |
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