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"C.D.Damron" wrote:
"Gord Beaman" wrote in message .. . "C.D.Damron" wrote: I don't know but it could have been after the a/c was on the deck and even before with some futzing with the squat switch circuits that normally prevent that. I've seen both of the tapes. How do you know that they didn't use reverse? I meant reversed pitch prior to touchdown, but I could be wrong. I recall reading that they reversed pitch upon touchdown. I don't recall the source being definitive. Ok, thanks... -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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"Bob Moore" wrote in message . 122... "Larry" wrote Uhm- Scuse me! I don't think I heard that right. Aircraft landing on a carrier DO NOT use their brakes for any part of the arrested landing. Once they come to a full stop (slowed by the arresting wire) then and only then they use their brakes (as directed by the Yellow Shirt) to hold position. Larry...Uhm- Scuse us! The topic is a C-130 making UN-arrested landings on the Forrestal. I'll bet that he DID use the brakes. Bob Moore As described he http://www.cgaux.com/C-130carrierlanding.htm One of the very few times brakes are used. Larry |
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Gord Beaman wrote:
"C.D.Damron" wrote: "William W. Plummer" wrote in message news:h7mwd.768167$8_6.703195@attbi_s04... Iwan Bogels wrote: There was a famous experiment to prove that a fully loaded C-130 could land on a carrier. The roll-out was 270 feet. Thrust reversers were used before it was on the deck. I'll bet those landings left something to be desired for comfort. I think I can find a short video of the landings and will be happy to post it if someone can tell me where. I don't think that pitch was reversed in those trials. I don't know but it could have been after the a/c was on the deck and even before with some futzing with the squat switch circuits that normally prevent that. I've seen both of the tapes. How do you know that they didn't use reverse? -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) Smoky Stover told me that they used pitch reverse, and that the squat switches had been bypassed to allow it without WOW. I never knew on how many of the landings they used it or not. Rick |
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Yofuri wrote:
Gord Beaman wrote: "C.D.Damron" wrote: "William W. Plummer" wrote in message news:h7mwd.768167$8_6.703195@attbi_s04... Iwan Bogels wrote: There was a famous experiment to prove that a fully loaded C-130 could land on a carrier. The roll-out was 270 feet. Thrust reversers were used before it was on the deck. I'll bet those landings left something to be desired for comfort. I think I can find a short video of the landings and will be happy to post it if someone can tell me where. I don't think that pitch was reversed in those trials. I don't know but it could have been after the a/c was on the deck and even before with some futzing with the squat switch circuits that normally prevent that. I've seen both of the tapes. How do you know that they didn't use reverse? -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) Smoky Stover told me that they used pitch reverse, and that the squat switches had been bypassed to allow it without WOW. I never knew on how many of the landings they used it or not. Rick Thanks Rick... -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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More moons ago, Gator Chunning, after retiring from the Navy and heading up
Lockheed's Navy Projects division told me no mods were done to the prop pitch. The only mods done were to the brakes, they installed new anti skid brakes and a smaller nose gear. All external tanks were removed The aircraft was taken directly out of the USMC stock, a KC130F, sent to Lockheed for the mods. Then Lt., James Flately III was qualed in the aircraft by Lockheed's chief test pilot, whose name escapes me right now. There was a measured 40kt head wind over the bow during the trials. 21 full unassisted landings and take offs were made before the end of the tests. Flately was awarded a DFC. All other stories about rocket assists, modified pitch, downward thrust are all fairy tails. Jake PS On a lighter side - On the fuselage below the cockpit was painted "Look Ma, no hook!" "Yofuri" wrote in message ... Gord Beaman wrote: "C.D.Damron" wrote: "William W. Plummer" wrote in message news:h7mwd.768167$8_6.703195@attbi_s04... Iwan Bogels wrote: There was a famous experiment to prove that a fully loaded C-130 could land on a carrier. The roll-out was 270 feet. Thrust reversers were used before it was on the deck. I'll bet those landings left something to be desired for comfort. I think I can find a short video of the landings and will be happy to post it if someone can tell me where. I don't think that pitch was reversed in those trials. I don't know but it could have been after the a/c was on the deck and even before with some futzing with the squat switch circuits that normally prevent that. I've seen both of the tapes. How do you know that they didn't use reverse? -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) Smoky Stover told me that they used pitch reverse, and that the squat switches had been bypassed to allow it without WOW. I never knew on how many of the landings they used it or not. Rick |
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"Jake Donovan" schreef in bericht news:223xd.4183$Qk5.3046@lakeread04... More moons ago, Gator Chunning, after retiring from the Navy and heading up Lockheed's Navy Projects division told me no mods were done to the prop pitch. The only mods done were to the brakes, they installed new anti skid brakes and a smaller nose gear. All external tanks were removed The aircraft was taken directly out of the USMC stock, a KC130F, sent to Lockheed for the mods. Then Lt., James Flately III was qualed in the aircraft by Lockheed's chief test pilot, whose name escapes me right now. There was a measured 40kt head wind over the bow during the trials. 21 full unassisted landings and take offs were made before the end of the tests. Flately was awarded a DFC. All other stories about rocket assists, modified pitch, downward thrust are all fairy tails. Jake Hi Jake, Thanks for explaining, but the original message had nothing to do with C-130 carrier landings. It was about a special project to liberate hostages in Iran in 1980, by landing a C-130 on a soccer field in downtown Teheran. The video is available at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm and as you will see it has EVERYTHING to do with rocket assists and downward thrust. See for yourself, it's an amazing video. Nevertheless your project and 'mine' make me wonder how many other undiscosed project have been around with the C-130. Anyone ? Cheers, Iwan |
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Jake Donovan wrote:
snip All other stories about rocket assists, modified pitch, downward thrust are all fairy tails. Jake PS On a lighter side - On the fuselage below the cockpit was painted "Look Ma, no hook!" "Yofuri" wrote in message ... Gord Beaman wrote: "C.D.Damron" wrote: "William W. Plummer" wrote in message news:h7mwd.768167$8_6.703195@attbi_s04... Iwan Bogels wrote: There was a famous experiment to prove that a fully loaded C-130 could land on a carrier. The roll-out was 270 feet. Thrust reversers were used before it was on the deck. I'll bet those landings left something to be desired for comfort. I think I can find a short video of the landings and will be happy to post it if someone can tell me where. I don't think that pitch was reversed in those trials. I don't know but it could have been after the a/c was on the deck and even before with some futzing with the squat switch circuits that normally prevent that. I've seen both of the tapes. How do you know that they didn't use reverse? -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) Smoky Stover told me that they used pitch reverse, and that the squat switches had been bypassed to allow it without WOW. I never knew on how many of the landings they used it or not. Rick Yep, stories do change over time: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ft/kc-130f.htm Mine was heard at a meeting in 1969 when LCDR Bob Browning was chosen to take a maintenance crew to get a Herc off the ice in Antarctica before winter broke it up. It had taken off a wingtip on a snowbank. The crew cleaned off the crunched metal, faired off the nub, and it flew out with one wing 11 feet (IIRC) shorter than the other. I have no idea how many feet it took on the opposite rudder pedal under full power. Trim probably wouldn't quite handle it. Rick |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message news (Pechs1) wrote: Jake- Flately was awarded a DFC. BRBR YGBSM..way to many DFCs given out for non combat flyin' if ya ask me. Flatley was a much better pilot than CAG(VF-33, Independence, late 70s) P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer What amazes me is that they took a fighter pilot (however skilled at piloting a fighter), checked him out in a C-130 Hercules (a bird of a QUITE different feather) and let him attempt this pretty dangerous mission when there's likely many hundreds of pilots MUCH more skilled in handling a Herc than him. -- -Gord. Two tasks involved, landing on a carrier and landing a C-130...I submit landing on the carrier may be the more difficult. While assault type landings are practiced by C-130 pilots they aren't directed toward a moving target. Purely opinion, mind you. Tex |
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