GA headed for regulatory trouble

The *people* of a Democratic America can withstand much worse than a
psycho doing damage to an icon, or even 20 psychos doing damage to any
number of icons.

If they give themselves half a chance.

Thank you. I'm doing my best to stay out of the off-topic threads, but
your post deserves special recognition for its truthfulness and insight.

While his post was, indeed, full of insight and depth, it was also, sadly,
woefully disconnected from modern American society.

Much as I would like to believe his words, I'm afraid the old saying "It's
impossible to be too cynical" applies here. Americans would demand -- and
their leaders would provide -- severe restrictions on GA in the event of a
successful terrorist attack that utilized GA aircraft.

It's really a simple political equation: Ryder rental trucks cannot be
removed from the roads without severe consequences -- but our little planes
can be swept from the skies with the stroke of a pen, with little or no
political fallout.

We would be wise to remember that.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

It's really a simple political equation: Ryder rental trucks cannot be
removed from the roads without severe consequences -- but our little planes
can be swept from the skies with the stroke of a pen, with little or no
political fallout.

We would be wise to remember that.

You might feel differently (about suggesting that we just "take it") if
it were your airspace that was under the ADIZ.

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

It's really a simple political equation: Ryder rental trucks cannot be
removed from the roads without severe consequences -- but our little
planes can be swept from the skies with the stroke of a pen, with little
or no political fallout.

We would be wise to remember that.

You might feel differently (about suggesting that we just "take it") if it
were your airspace that was under the ADIZ.

You continue to equate "taking it" with "following the current rules."

There is a difference, you know.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Icebound" wrote in
:

Snipola of EXCELLENT post

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men
of zeal,
well meaning but without understanding."
- Justice Louis Brandeis (1928)

Don't forget Benjamin Franklin...

"He that would give up essential liberty for a little security
deserve neither liberty nor security."


or Thomas B. Reed...

"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the
evils in this world are to be cured by legislation."


or Thomas Jefferson...

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too
much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."


or Harlan Carter...

"Can our form of government, our system of justice, survive if
one can be denied a freedom because he might abuse it?"


or Thomas Paine...

"Those who expect to reap the benefits of freedom, must, like
men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."


or Kwame Nkrumah (founder of Ghana)...

"We prefer self-government with danger, to servitude with
tranquillity."


or George Bernard Shaw...

"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it."


Brian
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Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:J8Sye.138516$xm3.101979@attbi_s21:

Snipola
But -- mark my words -- all it will take is ONE successful attack using
a GA plane, and there WILL be a "No Fly Zone" around D.C.
Snipola

Which will prove what we've been saying all along, that the ADIZ
does NOTHING to secure the area.

Brian
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in
newsW1ze.141757$xm3.84543@attbi_s21:

The *people* of a Democratic America can withstand much worse than a
psycho doing damage to an icon, or even 20 psychos doing damage to any
number of icons.

If they give themselves half a chance.

Thank you. I'm doing my best to stay out of the off-topic threads, but
your post deserves special recognition for its truthfulness and
insight.

While his post was, indeed, full of insight and depth, it was also,
sadly, woefully disconnected from modern American society.

Much as I would like to believe his words, I'm afraid the old saying
"It's impossible to be too cynical" applies here. Americans would
demand -- and their leaders would provide -- severe restrictions on GA
in the event of a successful terrorist attack that utilized GA aircraft.

It's really a simple political equation: Ryder rental trucks cannot be
removed from the roads without severe consequences -- but our little
planes can be swept from the skies with the stroke of a pen, with little
or no political fallout.

We would be wise to remember that.


And you sir are a fine example of why this country is falling apart,
with that attitude.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism

Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Blog: http://www.skywise711.com/Blog

Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newsW1ze.141757$xm3.84543@attbi_s21...
While his post was, indeed, full of insight and depth, it was also, sadly,
woefully disconnected from modern American society.

No. American society may be disconnected from the truth of what he says,
but if so, they do so at their own peril.

If the government is successful in shutting GA down completely, do you think
they'll stop at that? The government would take complete control of every
aspect of American society if they could. GA is simply an early step in a
lengthy process of abandonment of civil rights.

You continue to miss the whole point of where this thread went. It's not a
question of whether we ought to obey the existing restrictions. It's a
question of whether we ought to sit by and just let the restrictions happen
without complaint.

Pete

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:45:01 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote in
::

You continue to miss the whole point of where this thread went. It's not a
question of whether we ought to obey the existing restrictions. It's a
question of whether we ought to sit by and just let the restrictions happen
without complaint.

Thank you for putting it succinctly and bluntly.

Jay Honeck wrote:
You might feel differently (about suggesting that we just "take it") if it
were your airspace that was under the ADIZ.

You continue to equate "taking it" with "following the current rules."

There is a difference, you know.

There's a difference for the occassional ADIZ "user", but if you have to
live with it, day after day, following the current rules without protest
IS "taking it".



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You continue to equate "taking it" with "following the current rules."

There is a difference, you know.

No, I don't equate the two. I equate "taking it" with "resigning myself
to the current rules", especially when the current rules don't affect
you much.

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.