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CFI oral intel
On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:37:03 -0400, Gezellig
wrote: Jim Stewart presented the following explanation : gatt wrote: One of the folks around the hangar took his CFI practical last week. He had his AGI so they threw out all of the Fundamentals of Instruction stuff entirely during the oral. A question the examiner asked him: "You're flying cross-country and trimmed at 110 knots. You die, and the engine quits. At what airspeed will the aircraft strike the ground?" Another was, "You're turning final and you enter a cross-control stall. Is it better to be in a slip, or a skid?" I'm wondering what the significance of posting this question is. Is it because everyone should know the answer or because on some level it is nonsensical? Can't speak for gatt but the I take it for both. There are nonsensical questions that need to be prepaered for after all its about passing a test to get to the real learning. NOOOO NO NO. the whole purpose of these odd questions is that you cant prepare for them. however if you *understand* the aerodynamic principles and principles of flight you can work out the answers. never be afraid to work out the answer out aloud to them. it can show more clearly than any other method that you understand ...or dont understand what you've been taught. Stealth Pilot |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:23:11 +0800, Stealth Pilot wrote:
I'm wondering what the significance of posting this question is. Is it because everyone should know the answer or because on some level it is nonsensical? Can't speak for gatt but the I take it for both. There are nonsensical questions that need to be prepaered for after all its about passing a test to get to the real learning. NOOOO NO NO. the whole purpose of these odd questions is that you cant prepare for them. however if you *understand* the aerodynamic principles and principles of flight you can work out the answers. never be afraid to work out the answer out aloud to them. it can show more clearly than any other method that you understand ...or dont understand what you've been taught. Stealth Pilot I see your point. |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:32:00 -0400, Gezellig wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:23:11 +0800, Stealth Pilot wrote: I'm wondering what the significance of posting this question is. Is it because everyone should know the answer or because on some level it is nonsensical? Can't speak for gatt but the I take it for both. There are nonsensical questions that need to be prepaered for after all its about passing a test to get to the real learning. NOOOO NO NO. the whole purpose of these odd questions is that you cant prepare for them. however if you *understand* the aerodynamic principles and principles of flight you can work out the answers. never be afraid to work out the answer out aloud to them. it can show more clearly than any other method that you understand ...or dont understand what you've been taught. Stealth Pilot I see your point. No, wait, that's your head. lol I would think the purpose of gatt's question to be to learn the logical sequences of thinking, of putting into practice what you have learned in theory, when that time comes for things in air that you could rarely, if ever, practice. When was the last time you practiced being dead? |
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gatt wrote:
A question the examiner asked him: "You're flying cross-country and trimmed at 110 knots. You die, and the engine quits. At what airspeed will the aircraft strike the ground?" It all depends on what caused you to die. ;-) (Actually I'm semi-serious, in spite of the wink.) |
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In rec.aviation.student gatt wrote:
A question the examiner asked him: "You're flying cross-country and trimmed at 110 knots. You die, and the engine quits. At what airspeed will the aircraft strike the ground?" In addition to all the other factors discussed, your airspeed will be slightly lower than what you had trimmed due to the weight of your soul departing the aircraft. OK, so I don't really believe that, but I'd love to see what the guy would say if you told him that answer! -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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Michael Ash was thinking very hard :
In rec.aviation.student gatt wrote: A question the examiner asked him: "You're flying cross-country and trimmed at 110 knots. You die, and the engine quits. At what airspeed will the aircraft strike the ground?" In addition to all the other factors discussed, your airspeed will be slightly lower than what you had trimmed due to the weight of your soul departing the aircraft. Damn, I didn't take that in the weight balance shift forward and all that... OK, so I don't really believe that, but I'd love to see what the guy would say if you told him that answer! Stop that. Student pilots need no more confusion than I already have. lol |
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In rec.aviation.student Gezellig wrote:
Michael Ash was thinking very hard : In rec.aviation.student gatt wrote: A question the examiner asked him: "You're flying cross-country and trimmed at 110 knots. You die, and the engine quits. At what airspeed will the aircraft strike the ground?" In addition to all the other factors discussed, your airspeed will be slightly lower than what you had trimmed due to the weight of your soul departing the aircraft. Damn, I didn't take that in the weight balance shift forward and all that... OK, so I don't really believe that, but I'd love to see what the guy would say if you told him that answer! Stop that. Student pilots need no more confusion than I already have. Joking aside, if your straps were loose enough that you could slump forward, that *would* affect your CG which would in turn affect your trimmed airspeed. There's another issue that I just thought of that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, though. Won't you get into a graveyard (bad terminology for this scenario, as you're already dead) spiral? After all, if you could stay straight and level just by taking your hands off the controls you wouldn't need to fear IMC with no gyroscopic instruments. So it seems that if you start high enough, the correct answer to this question would be whatever the terminal velocity of your fuselage is without its wings. Am I off base here? -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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On 2008-05-30, Michael Ash wrote:
There's another issue that I just thought of that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, though. Won't you get into a graveyard (bad terminology for this scenario, as you're already dead) spiral? After all, if you could stay straight and level just by taking your hands off the controls you wouldn't need to fear IMC with no gyroscopic instruments. It depends on the aircraft. My old Cessna 140 would fly all day (well, until the fuel ran out!) without touching the controls. There are instances of this kind of plane being hand propped and getting away from the owner, and flying hundreds of miles pilotless. Something like a Cessna 172 will also do it. IIRC, the manual for the C172N advises a VFR only pilot who has got trapped on top, to trim the aircraft for a descent, and only make turns using gentle rudder pressures. This is of course assuming the air is reasonably smooth. You need those gyros because at some point, a pilot flying IFR is going to want to change course, or fly a procedure turn, or intercept the final approach course etc. even in an aircraft that will happily fly all day without anyone touching the controls, that's going to be tough with no gyros! -- From the sunny Isle of Man. Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 01:20:04 -0500, Michael Ash wrote:
Joking aside, if your straps were loose enough that you could slump forward, that *would* affect your CG which would in turn affect your trimmed airspeed. There's another issue that I just thought of that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, though. Won't you get into a graveyard (bad terminology for this scenario, as you're already dead) spiral? After all, if you could stay straight and level just by taking your hands off the controls you wouldn't need to fear IMC with no gyroscopic instruments. So it seems that if you start high enough, the correct answer to this question would be whatever the terminal velocity of your fuselage is without its wings. Am I off base here? You fly until gassless, stall, nose down, then descend too rapidly, striking the ground with the wings ripped off. Works for me. |
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In rec.aviation.student Gezellig wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 01:20:04 -0500, Michael Ash wrote: Joking aside, if your straps were loose enough that you could slump forward, that *would* affect your CG which would in turn affect your trimmed airspeed. There's another issue that I just thought of that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, though. Won't you get into a graveyard (bad terminology for this scenario, as you're already dead) spiral? After all, if you could stay straight and level just by taking your hands off the controls you wouldn't need to fear IMC with no gyroscopic instruments. So it seems that if you start high enough, the correct answer to this question would be whatever the terminal velocity of your fuselage is without its wings. Am I off base here? You fly until gassless, stall, nose down, then descend too rapidly, striking the ground with the wings ripped off. Works for me. You don't stall, because when the engine quits the airplane will start to descend, maintaining approximately the original airspeed. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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