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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:55:28 -0500, "FUji" wrote:
The book rate has problems too. Say you take you car in for a wheel balance and a brake job. Book rate says 2 hours for brakes, and half an hour for wheel balance. They are classed as separate jobs, meaning you pay for them to take the wheel off twice, even though it gets done at the same time. It is nothing for a four hour job to turn into eight billable hours this way. I have never seen a book rate shop negotiate a discount based on this either. Once again, YOU need to stay on top of this and point out these things when you receive your estimate. I'm sure you always get an estimate, don't you? |
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Les Gawlik wrote:
I know all about the theory behind flat rate books and I can't monitor all of the work as closely as I'd like, but I can't remember a situation where the repair took longer than the book allowed. You've been lucky. I used to know a GM mechanic. Extra time on repairs was common for mechanics in his dealership. They made it up on other repairs. Your 9:00 to 12:00 example may well have had several mechanics working on it. George Patterson A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help you move the body. |
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There are 2 parts to the equation, rate and volume (or time). It is easy
to squeeze one and find the balloon popping out on the other. You need some control over both. Yes, airplane shop rates are generally lower than their automotive brethren, however, they don't use flat rate manuals. So, airplane shops really can charge you anything they want to. Yeah, I know all about "estimates". A few thoughts about flat rate manuals. Having one does not guaranty fairness for the customer or the shop. They are merely guidelines. Flat rate manuals are commonly written by observing a factory lineman who does the same operation hundreds of times a day, using special tools, on a new car. Says so right in the front of the book. In the body shop industry, this is insane. An 8 year old, smashed and rust proofed (AND rusted) car fixed in the field with common shop tools means you will seldom come near book time. What the insurance company adjusters are told NOT to read is the part in the front of the book that explains that repair times must be adjusted for damage, rust, lack of certain factory tools, etc. The time written in the book is gospel to them. You MIGHT get "teardown" time, usually a couple of hours to untangle a twisted mass of smashed up steel from a collision. Now, the computers just automagically pull book times on a nicely printed sheet that they show the insured. "See, look how wonderful and automated we are so you (customer) can get an estimate in a jiffy!!!". What they don't tell the customer is how badly the shop gets screwed by the process, usually by a shop rate that is HALF what mechanics get. Mechanical flat rate manuals are written using a new, clean engine. Bolts don't strip or shear off and absent is the "patina" of a used engine (1/4" of grease/dirt/oil/rusted crud all over everything). Start up that engine and drive it for 50,000 miles and see the "magic" that happens (every bolt freezes, all rubber sticks solid, o-rings freeze to both surfaces, gaskets weld themselves to everything, etc.). So, what does a shop do??? They take shortcuts. They skimp on parts quality. They salvage parts that were supposed to be replaced. They use gorilla tactics with air tools to remove and replace parts. Airplane shops simply jack up the time to the point where they make enough money to survive (or more). I don't envy shops. That is why I did not take up the family body shop. Lots of better ways to make a living. Good Luck, Mike G.R. Patterson III wrote: Les Gawlik wrote: I know all about the theory behind flat rate books and I can't monitor all of the work as closely as I'd like, but I can't remember a situation where the repair took longer than the book allowed. You've been lucky. I used to know a GM mechanic. Extra time on repairs was common for mechanics in his dealership. They made it up on other repairs. Your 9:00 to 12:00 example may well have had several mechanics working on it. George Patterson A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help you move the body. __________________________________________________ ____________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - FAST UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
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I've called at 9:00 a.m. and been told they haven't had a chance to look
at my car yet. At 12:00 they call back and say it's done. I see the bill, and there's flat rate charges of 5 hours, ***** one tech's time. ***** "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Les Gawlik wrote: I know all about the theory behind flat rate books and I can't monitor all of the work as closely as I'd like, but I can't remember a situation where the repair took longer than the book allowed. You've been lucky. I used to know a GM mechanic. Extra time on repairs was common for mechanics in his dealership. They made it up on other repairs. Your 9:00 to 12:00 example may well have had several mechanics working on it. George Patterson A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help you move the body. |
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