VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION

wrote:
One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw
only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants
(e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all.



Here's the 1955 version of the same thing:
http://www.kilroywashere.org/005-Pag...Recog-01-.html
Watch out for the Bison/Badger mix-up.

Pat

wrote:
On 26 Kwi, 06:15, "Flashnews" wrote:
Of all the attack birds the Su-22 Fitter H/G da da seems to have become
the THUD of the east and is still liked by pilots in former Communist
countries such as Poland that actually upgraded them. It had lots of
power, carries a lot, stable as hell in bombing, adapts to all kinds of
junk, handles well and maintains good. Not a digital cockpit but it was
one of the best before the MiG-29 came out.

Thanks for your kind words on our hardware. Actually, what Polish Air
Forces still fly is Su-22M4 Fitter K. The aircraft is like a dragster
lorry, needs quite a lot of space to make a turn, but indeed, can
carry quite a lot. Some Japanese visitors to one of the units back in
the mid-1990's were very surprised to see the only real avionics on
board is... the radar.

The Floggers / Fencers / Fitters and what have you have all been
replaced by the Sukhoi Su-27 family and for a while the MiG-29 had
trouble but now it is steaming ahead.

One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw
only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants
(e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all.

Best regards,
Jacek

Thanks Jacek,
Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really
kicked ass there! God bless them.

Paul

--
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/albums/

Paul Elliot wrote:
wrote:
On 26 Kwi, 06:15, "Flashnews" wrote:
Of all the attack birds the Su-22 Fitter H/G da da seems to have become
the THUD of the east and is still liked by pilots in former Communist
countries such as Poland that actually upgraded them. It had lots of
power, carries a lot, stable as hell in bombing, adapts to all kinds of
junk, handles well and maintains good. Not a digital cockpit but it was
one of the best before the MiG-29 came out.

Thanks for your kind words on our hardware. Actually, what Polish Air
Forces still fly is Su-22M4 Fitter K. The aircraft is like a dragster
lorry, needs quite a lot of space to make a turn, but indeed, can
carry quite a lot. Some Japanese visitors to one of the units back in
the mid-1990's were very surprised to see the only real avionics on
board is... the radar.

The Floggers / Fencers / Fitters and what have you have all been
replaced by the Sukhoi Su-27 family and for a while the MiG-29 had
trouble but now it is steaming ahead.

One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw
only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants
(e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all.

Best regards,
Jacek

Thanks Jacek,
Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really
kicked ass there! God bless them.

Paul


Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*

How many Iraqi children did _THEY_ slaughter?


God's Creator!
( Sorry, I don't forgive ****! )

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On 2 Maj, 15:28, Paul Elliot wrote:

Thanks Jacek,
Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really
kicked ass there! God bless them.

Paul


Thanks, Paul. Obviously, they are. It must be not easy for them, but I
guess meeting with some Soviet-school military realities still
remaining in Iraq may sometimes make feel them like home. They also
have some opportunity to test their new hardware, like Rosomak
armoured personnel carrier. I bet some Polish F-16s also end up there
when their training ends...

Best regards,
Jacek

On May 2, 9:28 am, Paul Elliot wrote:
wrote:
On 26 Kwi, 06:15, "Flashnews" wrote:
Of all the attack birds the Su-22 Fitter H/G da da seems to have become
the THUD of the east and is still liked by pilots in former Communist
countries such as Poland that actually upgraded them. It had lots of
power, carries a lot, stable as hell in bombing, adapts to all kinds of
junk, handles well and maintains good. Not a digital cockpit but it was
one of the best before the MiG-29 came out.

Thanks for your kind words on our hardware. Actually, what Polish Air
Forces still fly is Su-22M4 Fitter K. The aircraft is like a dragster
lorry, needs quite a lot of space to make a turn, but indeed, can
carry quite a lot. Some Japanese visitors to one of the units back in
the mid-1990's were very surprised to see the only real avionics on
board is... the radar.

The Floggers / Fencers / Fitters and what have you have all been
replaced by the Sukhoi Su-27 family and for a while the MiG-29 had
trouble but now it is steaming ahead.

One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw
only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants
(e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all.

Best regards,
Jacek

Thanks Jacek,
Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really
kicked ass there! God bless them.

Paul

--
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/albums/

Flag of Poland Poland - Currently, 900 non-combat troops from the
'First Warsaw Division', based at Camp Echo in Diwaniyah. Poland leads
the Multi-National Division (South Central) which consists of forces
from several other countries. In accordance with the decision of the
former Polish Minister of Defense Jerzy Szmajdziński, the number of
troops was reduced from 2,500 to 1,500 during the second half of 2005.
Poland's former leftist government, which lost September 25, 2005
elections, had planned to withdraw the remaining 1,500 troops in
January. However, the new defense minister, Radosław Sikorski, visited
Washington on December 3 for talks on Poland's coalition plans, and
Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz declared that he would decide
after the Iraqi elections on December 15, whether to extend its
troops' mandate beyond December 31.[18] On Tuesday 22 December, Prime
Minister Marcinkiewicz announced that he had asked President Lech
Kaczyński to keep Polish troops in Iraq for another year, calling it
"a very difficult decision."[19] On January 5, 2006, Polish troops
handed over control of the central Babil province to U.S. troops and
decided to remain on bases in Kut and Diwaniyah for the remainder of
their mandate,[20] cutting their contingent from 1,500 troops to 900
troops two months later,[21] and switching their main objective from
patrolling their sector to the training of Iraqi security forces.
Poland has lost 20 soldiers in Iraq: 14 in bombings or ambushes and 6
in various accidents. In July 2004, Al Zarqawi released a statement
threatening Japan, Poland and Bulgaria over their troop deployments.
He demanded of the Polish government 'Pull your troops out of Iraq or
you will hear the sounds of explosions that will hit your country.'
Hours later Prime Minister Marek Belka denied, and deputy Defence
Minister Janusz Zemke said pulling out would be a 'terrible mistake.'

Wiki Multinational force

This is what in thought was so cool and so pragmatic and so Russian. In
one of the Su-22's that landed in Pakistan by a defector during the
border war with Pakistan the cockpit had been "upgraded" to handle
precision guided bombs utilizing TV imagery being fed to the "scope"
mounted on the right side of the cockpit. Now the pilot had to guide the
munitions (like our old Bullpup from Vietnam days) into the target as he
drove down the bombing run and of course the most important factor for
his was "where is the ground - or what is his altitude". Now we are not
talking about digital displays or HUD's so the good Sukhoi design team
just conveniently located a second altimeter right their under the TV...
worked real nice.

Now the Su-22 was a swing wing jet - old question on the thread - which
way did the manual wing sweep work - (1) the bomber way - wings back,
lever back as in F-111, MiG-23/27, Mirage G, or (2) the fighter way -
wing lever forward to put wings back to match adding power with throttle
as with F-14 and B-1.

The Su-22 did neither - it was a lock set, but the lever back moved the
wings back. Yet it still has the best "feel" of all the Russian jets -
more like a Phantom and shares the strong rudders


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On 26 Kwi, 06:15, "Flashnews" wrote:
Of all the attack birds the Su-22 Fitter H/G da da seems to have
become
the THUD of the east and is still liked by pilots in former Communist
countries such as Poland that actually upgraded them. It had lots of
power, carries a lot, stable as hell in bombing, adapts to all kinds
of
junk, handles well and maintains good. Not a digital cockpit but it
was
one of the best before the MiG-29 came out.

Thanks for your kind words on our hardware. Actually, what Polish Air
Forces still fly is Su-22M4 Fitter K. The aircraft is like a dragster
lorry, needs quite a lot of space to make a turn, but indeed, can
carry quite a lot. Some Japanese visitors to one of the units back in
the mid-1990's were very surprised to see the only real avionics on
board is... the radar.

The Floggers / Fencers / Fitters and what have you have all been
replaced by the Sukhoi Su-27 family and for a while the MiG-29 had
trouble but now it is steaming ahead.

One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw
only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants
(e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all.

Best regards,
Jacek

Afghanistan and Central Asia guys - Iraq is an American war and NATO
will never let us forget it





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oups.com...
On 2 Maj, 15:28, Paul Elliot wrote:

Thanks Jacek,
Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really
kicked ass there! God bless them.

Paul


Thanks, Paul. Obviously, they are. It must be not easy for them, but I
guess meeting with some Soviet-school military realities still
remaining in Iraq may sometimes make feel them like home. They also
have some opportunity to test their new hardware, like Rosomak
armoured personnel carrier. I bet some Polish F-16s also end up there
when their training ends...

Best regards,
Jacek

"Daryl Hunt" wrote ...


Speaking of Doofus's and you show up. One person already showed two links
that they were around as camera ships in the Actives up until 1959. But
don't let the facts get in the way of becoming a contributing member of
the
404thk00ks. You live it down well.


No, they haven't. There were, unless you can find a competent cite, one
with any hint of factual nature, no P-38 derived photo birds in service in
1959 or in the years immediastely preceding. You don't seem to comprehend
that P-38s were quick to leave the service because there were in inventory,
both for conventional and photo missions literally thousands of more capable
a/c gathering dust until Korea, and even Korea's needs were not great enough
to summon elderly photo birds with less speed and range than the P-51
derivatives used for low altitude work. As late as 1957, there may have
been a couple of TB-25s around for station "hack" service in the Training
Command, and B-26s (NA, Not Martin), were still in ANG service (and used by
the CIA/Cuban force strikes connected with the Bay of Pigs), but you're
going to have to "show" us P-38s somewhere other than in your agaonized
dreams before anybody will believe you...

To say that you are full of **** remains grotesque understaement. You're
simply clueless, fallen well over the edge into "wackodom". You ought to be
ashamed of yourself (in fact, probably would be, were you not too simple
minded to comprehend that you've been emabarrassed so often as to have all
potential credibility.

TMO

On May 3, 10:55 am, "TMOliver" wrote:
"Daryl Hunt" wrote ...



Speaking of Doofus's and you show up. One person already showed two links
that they were around as camera ships in the Actives up until 1959. But
don't let the facts get in the way of becoming a contributing member of
the
404thk00ks. You live it down well.

No, they haven't. There were, unless you can find a competent cite, one
with any hint of factual nature, no P-38 derived photo birds in service in
1959 or in the years immediastely preceding. You don't seem to comprehend
that P-38s were quick to leave the service because there were in inventory,
both for conventional and photo missions literally thousands of more capable
a/c gathering dust until Korea, and even Korea's needs were not great enough
to summon elderly photo birds with less speed and range than the P-51
derivatives used for low altitude work. As late as 1957, there may have
been a couple of TB-25s around for station "hack" service in the Training
Command, and B-26s (NA, Not Martin), were still in ANG service (and used by
the CIA/Cuban force strikes connected with the Bay of Pigs), but you're
going to have to "show" us P-38s somewhere other than in your agaonized
dreams before anybody will believe you...

To say that you are full of **** remains grotesque understaement. You're
simply clueless, fallen well over the edge into "wackodom". You ought to be
ashamed of yourself (in fact, probably would be, were you not too simple
minded to comprehend that you've been emabarrassed so often as to have all
potential credibility.

TMO

http://www.p-38online.com/recon.html

A quick and logical explanation for the death of the P-38, P-4 and P-5
was the birth of the U-2. Hardly likely that two such systems,
especially with the U-2's superior altitude performance, would co-
exist.

Jack Linthicum wrote:
On May 3, 10:55 am, "TMOliver" wrote:
"Daryl Hunt" wrote ...



Speaking of Doofus's and you show up. One person already showed two links
that they were around as camera ships in the Actives up until 1959. But
don't let the facts get in the way of becoming a contributing member of
the
404thk00ks. You live it down well.
No, they haven't. There were, unless you can find a competent cite, one
with any hint of factual nature, no P-38 derived photo birds in service in
1959 or in the years immediastely preceding. You don't seem to comprehend
that P-38s were quick to leave the service because there were in inventory,
both for conventional and photo missions literally thousands of more capable
a/c gathering dust until Korea, and even Korea's needs were not great enough
to summon elderly photo birds with less speed and range than the P-51
derivatives used for low altitude work. As late as 1957, there may have
been a couple of TB-25s around for station "hack" service in the Training
Command, and B-26s (NA, Not Martin), were still in ANG service (and used by
the CIA/Cuban force strikes connected with the Bay of Pigs), but you're
going to have to "show" us P-38s somewhere other than in your agaonized
dreams before anybody will believe you...

To say that you are full of **** remains grotesque understaement. You're
simply clueless, fallen well over the edge into "wackodom". You ought to be
ashamed of yourself (in fact, probably would be, were you not too simple
minded to comprehend that you've been emabarrassed so often as to have all
potential credibility.

TMO

http://www.p-38online.com/recon.html

A quick and logical explanation for the death of the P-38, P-4 and P-5
was the birth of the U-2. Hardly likely that two such systems,
especially with the U-2's superior altitude performance, would co-
exist.


not really
The U2 was not suited for battlefield reconnaissance. USAF tried the
Canberra but it was a failure and then the RB-66 derived from the
skywarrior which was a success

Vince