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Quick Question...
Is it possible to start a simulation without the engines running? Is
there something you can click in the settings to get this to happen? |
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Ohmelads wrote:
Is it possible to start a simulation without the engines running? Is there something you can click in the settings to get this to happen? Of course. Set up the aircraft you want with engine off, and every switch and so on how you want it. Set the view you require and the weather at the part of your chosen airport whereyou wish to start. Then save the flight and make it your default. Voila! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003 |
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Quilljar wrote in message ... Ohmelads wrote: Is it possible to start a simulation without the engines running? Is there something you can click in the settings to get this to happen? Of course. Set up the aircraft you want with engine off, and every switch and so on how you want it. Set the view you require and the weather at the part of your chosen airport whereyou wish to start. Then save the flight and make it your default. Voila! Well, yeah; that's one way of doing it. Doesn't seem to make much sense, though - this would mean that every time he wants to start a flight from a cold, dark aircraft, he has to go through all that. I think there should be a switch in FS that allows you to do this (next version, please MS?) But there's a gauge you can download that you install into the panel of any given aircraft, and whenever you use it, you start up cold & dark. I can't remember the name of it offhand, but it's on http://library.avsim.net Hope this helps Cheers Graeme |
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"Anonymous" wrote in message ... Quilljar wrote in message ... Ohmelads wrote: Is it possible to start a simulation without the engines running? Is there something you can click in the settings to get this to happen? Of course. Set up the aircraft you want with engine off, and every switch and so on how you want it. Set the view you require and the weather at the part of your chosen airport whereyou wish to start. Then save the flight and make it your default. Voila! Well, yeah; that's one way of doing it. Well, yeah; that's the best way of doing it. Doesn't seem to make much sense, though - this would mean that every time he wants to start a flight from a cold, dark aircraft, he has to go through all that. Makes perfect sense to me. If, as suggested, he sets the saved flight to his default, he has a cold, dark aircraft on start up. I'm willing to wager that was what Quilljar meant when he wrote "Voila!" I second the "Voila!" I think there should be a switch in FS that allows you to do this (next version, please MS?) I'm also willing to wager that all PC systems used for flight simulation include a peripheral set of switches well suited for saving flights and selecting saved flights. I'm confident that yours is so equipped, along with a "mouse" or some other pointing/selecting device that can also be used for such tasks. But there's a gauge you can download that you install into the panel of any given aircraft, and whenever you use it, you start up cold & dark. I admit, that could come in handy. I can't remember the name of it offhand, Well, dang! but it's on http://library.avsim.net Hope this helps Cheers Graeme Thanks, Graeme. It probably will help those who are willing to spend the time to search the avsim library, especially if they also have the time and means to deal with unforeseen conflicts. Of course, the "guage" is probably harmless. Still, although I like good upgrades and add-ons, I prefer to avoid tinkering for small and questionable gains, especially when the stock product provides a suitable means for obtaining the desired result. Kalijaa |
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J Kelley wrote in message ...
Thanks, Graeme. It probably will help those who are willing to spend the time to search the avsim library, especially if they also have the time and means to deal with unforeseen conflicts. Of course, the "guage" is probably harmless. Still, although I like good upgrades and add-ons, I prefer to avoid tinkering for small and questionable gains, especially when the stock product provides a suitable means for obtaining the desired result. Suitable, yes - ideal, no. The game is marketed "As Real As It Gets", right ? So you're saying that a real airline pilot will get into an aircraft, and, handily, someone will have started up the engines for him ? No! You get into an aircraft, and you go through the power up sequence, start up the engines, and then lay in your course. Now if I have 300 odd different aircraft, but always want to start up the game environment in a cold dark cockpit, that involves having to save a different flight every time. Which is a lame solution. So this is why Matthias Lieberecht wrote "Cold and Dark Cockpit Gauge". The file, which is called "mlcadgau.zip" is available on http://library.avsim.net and is really easy to install in your aircraft panels, no matter who made the aircraft/panel, whether the aircraft/panel is a jet, prop, helicopter, or whether it is freeware/shareware/payware. Once its installed, it stays installed, and I don't need to create loads of flights for each aircraft/situation I might possibly want to fly. Just install once in each panel. Now I just put forward a piece of friendly advice, and made a comment about a feature I think Microsoft should have put into Flight Simulator but didn't, and you feel justified somehow in putting across a smartarse remark debunking everything I've said and trying to make me look really ****ing stupid ? **** off. Ohmelads - you can use the gauge I mentioned above. It works really well, and should give you what you need without mucking around too much. Really, the gauge provides something that Microsoft didn't when they wrote FS2002. I think there should be an option within the "Settings" - "Realism" menu to allow you to start off in a cold dark cockpit. That way you can go through the startup routines of any aircraft as a real pilot would do. Cheers Graeme |
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-----Original Message----- From: Michael Nouak ] Posted At: 21 October 2003 20:36 Posted To: simulators Conversation: Quick Question... Subject: Quick Question... Hi Anonymous, I don't have the gauge in question installed and yet, my sim never starts up with the engines running. Mike Mike, That's really strange - from the first time I installed FS2002, I have never started up any aircraft - not even the default aircraft supplied with the simulation - from cold and dark. I've some friends who live locally who find that FS2002 aircraft always start engines on. I have all the realism settings at full, so it can't be that. Does anyone have a definitive answer to the question...? Cheers Graeme |
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"Anonymous" wrote in message ... J Kelley wrote in message ... Thanks, Graeme. It probably will help those who are willing to spend the time to search the avsim library, especially if they also have the time and means to deal with unforeseen conflicts. Of course, the "guage" is probably harmless. Still, although I like good upgrades and add-ons, I prefer to avoid tinkering for small and questionable gains, especially when the stock product provides a suitable means for obtaining the desired result. Suitable, yes - ideal, no. Ah well, we try and fail, try and fail. The game is marketed "As Real As It Gets", right ? Indeed it is!! Very good point. What do you consider the key word in the point you have just made? Is it "Real," or is it "game?" So you're saying that a real airline pilot will get into an aircraft, and, handily, someone will have started up the engines for him ? Oh no, I'm not saying that. I didn't say anything remotely like that. I did not suggest that "someone will have started up the engines" for anyone and I didn't even mention airline pilots. I hope they are not, as a group, miffed and feeling left out. What I did say (that you didn't bother to re-post) was that I agreed with Quilljar regarding a method for providing what you and Ohmelads apparantly want: A cold, dark airplane with engines not running at the start of a simulation. That is easily accomplished by the method Quilljar suggested: 1. Set up your aircraft with engines not running. 2. Save that set up as a flight. 3. Set that flight as default. The next time you start the simulation program, it will start with the new default flight and you will have your cold, dark airplane with engines not running. Your default flight will remain the same unless you or someone else deliberately changes it. Thus, you will have the conditions you like each time you start your simulator. No! You get into an aircraft, and you go through the power up sequence, start up the engines, and then lay in your course. Good for you! I wish every pilot would get into their aircraft before they go through the power up sequence and lay in their course. Save a lot of needless bother. Now if I have 300 odd different aircraft, but always want to start up the game environment in a cold dark cockpit, that involves having to save a different flight every time. Which is a lame solution. Not to mention a rather lame pasttime. Never mind, if you want to fly 300 different airplanes, that's your bliss. You can set up 300 flights with your desired conditions for each. Only one can be default, but it's as easy to select another flight as it is to select another aircraft. So this is why Matthias Lieberecht wrote "Cold and Dark Cockpit Gauge". The file, which is called "mlcadgau.zip" is available on http://library.avsim.net and is really easy to install in your aircraft panels, no matter who made the aircraft/panel, whether the aircraft/panel is a jet, prop, helicopter, or whether it is freeware/shareware/payware. Thanks for the file name. You remember, I admitted that it might come in handy. Once its installed, it stays installed, and I don't need to create loads of flights for each aircraft/situation I might possibly want to fly. Just install once in each panel. Gosh, I wonder which would be easier, installing the "gauge" in 300 different panels, or saving 300 different flights? The mind reels. Now I just put forward a piece of friendly advice, and made a comment about a feature I think Microsoft should have put into Flight Simulator but didn't, and you feel justified somehow in putting across a smartarse remark debunking everything I've said and trying to make me look really ****ing stupid ? No need to thank me. It was nothing, really. **** off. Temper, temper. You mustn't get so upset. You might start thrashing about and step on one of your nice shiny airplanes. Ohmelads - you can use the gauge I mentioned above. It works really well, and should give you what you need without mucking around too much. Really, the gauge provides something that Microsoft didn't when they wrote FS2002. I think there should be an option within the "Settings" - "Realism" menu to allow you to start off in a cold dark cockpit. That way you can go through the startup routines of any aircraft as a real pilot would do. Well, it sems I have to agree with you on another point. The game really isn't as real as it gets. It only gets as real as it gets for those who land the kind of jobs most simmers lust after. If only flight simulation could guarantee such employment for each fledgling after three years simming (first officer aboard, say at least a 737, or top gun US Navy fighter pilot), we would hear far fewer of such complaints. When I was a lad, I received, for small change and a few Ovaltine labels, one of his highly sought after Decoder Badges and a membership card show the I was a member in good standing in Captain Midnight's "Secret Squadron." I have to admit that I was disappointed in the experiences derived from those treasures. The messages I decoded with the Decoder Badge, telling me to drink more Ovaltine, didn't seem worth the effort and the "Secret Squadron" wasn't all that secret. I wanted to fly with my hero, but he never invited me and so I decided that the badge and the squadron membership weren't "as real as it gets," 'though not precisely in those terms. I don't remember discarding them, but neither do I know where the hell they went. My point is just this: I feel your pain. Cheers Graeme Dear Graeme, The "gauge" may be a keen solution for you and for many others. It might also suit me, but Quilljar's solution is by far the best answer to Ohmelads questions: He asked: "Is it possible to start a simulation without the engines running? The answer is clearly: Yes. He also asked: "Is there something you can click in the settings to get this to happen?" The answer is: A qualified yes. First, save a flight with engines not running and then "set" that flight as your default flight. That answers Ohmelads questions. Of course, there are other solutions that might suit him better, including the "gauge," but he didn't ask for other solutions. He asked for a way "to start a simulation without the engines running." You do not say that the "gauge" will do that. I would expect that the "gauge" will only work after start up and that is not the same as starting a simulation without the engines running. Why, you could even do both. You could start up with dead engines, start the engines and then shut 'em down with the gauge! Wheeeeee!! Kalijaa |
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Em. Quick question. The default flight thing sounds easier to me, but say
if I: Get the default flight (Cessna Meigs, active runway etc) And shut down the engines, and save that as the default, I then set up a flight with say, the MelJet 777 at KORD with my own weather etc, will the engines not start up with the flight? Or will I get the wanted effect of a cold aircraft? Angus "J Kelley" wrote in message ... "Anonymous" wrote in message ... J Kelley wrote in message ... Thanks, Graeme. It probably will help those who are willing to spend the time to search the avsim library, especially if they also have the time and means to deal with unforeseen conflicts. Of course, the "guage" is probably harmless. Still, although I like good upgrades and add-ons, I prefer to avoid tinkering for small and questionable gains, especially when the stock product provides a suitable means for obtaining the desired result. Suitable, yes - ideal, no. Ah well, we try and fail, try and fail. The game is marketed "As Real As It Gets", right ? Indeed it is!! Very good point. What do you consider the key word in the point you have just made? Is it "Real," or is it "game?" So you're saying that a real airline pilot will get into an aircraft, and, handily, someone will have started up the engines for him ? Oh no, I'm not saying that. I didn't say anything remotely like that. I did not suggest that "someone will have started up the engines" for anyone and I didn't even mention airline pilots. I hope they are not, as a group, miffed and feeling left out. What I did say (that you didn't bother to re-post) was that I agreed with Quilljar regarding a method for providing what you and Ohmelads apparantly want: A cold, dark airplane with engines not running at the start of a simulation. That is easily accomplished by the method Quilljar suggested: 1. Set up your aircraft with engines not running. 2. Save that set up as a flight. 3. Set that flight as default. The next time you start the simulation program, it will start with the new default flight and you will have your cold, dark airplane with engines not running. Your default flight will remain the same unless you or someone else deliberately changes it. Thus, you will have the conditions you like each time you start your simulator. No! You get into an aircraft, and you go through the power up sequence, start up the engines, and then lay in your course. Good for you! I wish every pilot would get into their aircraft before they go through the power up sequence and lay in their course. Save a lot of needless bother. Now if I have 300 odd different aircraft, but always want to start up the game environment in a cold dark cockpit, that involves having to save a different flight every time. Which is a lame solution. Not to mention a rather lame pasttime. Never mind, if you want to fly 300 different airplanes, that's your bliss. You can set up 300 flights with your desired conditions for each. Only one can be default, but it's as easy to select another flight as it is to select another aircraft. So this is why Matthias Lieberecht wrote "Cold and Dark Cockpit Gauge". The file, which is called "mlcadgau.zip" is available on http://library.avsim.net and is really easy to install in your aircraft panels, no matter who made the aircraft/panel, whether the aircraft/panel is a jet, prop, helicopter, or whether it is freeware/shareware/payware. Thanks for the file name. You remember, I admitted that it might come in handy. Once its installed, it stays installed, and I don't need to create loads of flights for each aircraft/situation I might possibly want to fly. Just install once in each panel. Gosh, I wonder which would be easier, installing the "gauge" in 300 different panels, or saving 300 different flights? The mind reels. Now I just put forward a piece of friendly advice, and made a comment about a feature I think Microsoft should have put into Flight Simulator but didn't, and you feel justified somehow in putting across a smartarse remark debunking everything I've said and trying to make me look really ****ing stupid ? No need to thank me. It was nothing, really. **** off. Temper, temper. You mustn't get so upset. You might start thrashing about and step on one of your nice shiny airplanes. Ohmelads - you can use the gauge I mentioned above. It works really well, and should give you what you need without mucking around too much. Really, the gauge provides something that Microsoft didn't when they wrote FS2002. I think there should be an option within the "Settings" - "Realism" menu to allow you to start off in a cold dark cockpit. That way you can go through the startup routines of any aircraft as a real pilot would do. Well, it sems I have to agree with you on another point. The game really isn't as real as it gets. It only gets as real as it gets for those who land the kind of jobs most simmers lust after. If only flight simulation could guarantee such employment for each fledgling after three years simming (first officer aboard, say at least a 737, or top gun US Navy fighter pilot), we would hear far fewer of such complaints. When I was a lad, I received, for small change and a few Ovaltine labels, one of his highly sought after Decoder Badges and a membership card show the I was a member in good standing in Captain Midnight's "Secret Squadron." I have to admit that I was disappointed in the experiences derived from those treasures. The messages I decoded with the Decoder Badge, telling me to drink more Ovaltine, didn't seem worth the effort and the "Secret Squadron" wasn't all that secret. I wanted to fly with my hero, but he never invited me and so I decided that the badge and the squadron membership weren't "as real as it gets," 'though not precisely in those terms. I don't remember discarding them, but neither do I know where the hell they went. My point is just this: I feel your pain. Cheers Graeme Dear Graeme, The "gauge" may be a keen solution for you and for many others. It might also suit me, but Quilljar's solution is by far the best answer to Ohmelads questions: He asked: "Is it possible to start a simulation without the engines running? The answer is clearly: Yes. He also asked: "Is there something you can click in the settings to get this to happen?" The answer is: A qualified yes. First, save a flight with engines not running and then "set" that flight as your default flight. That answers Ohmelads questions. Of course, there are other solutions that might suit him better, including the "gauge," but he didn't ask for other solutions. He asked for a way "to start a simulation without the engines running." You do not say that the "gauge" will do that. I would expect that the "gauge" will only work after start up and that is not the same as starting a simulation without the engines running. Why, you could even do both. You could start up with dead engines, start the engines and then shut 'em down with the gauge! Wheeeeee!! Kalijaa |
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"Angus Lepper" wrote in message ... Em. Quick question. The default flight thing sounds easier to me, but say if I: Get the default flight (Cessna Meigs, active runway etc) And shut down the engines, and save that as the default, I then set up a flight with say, the MelJet 777 at KORD with my own weather etc, will the engines not start up with the flight? Or will I get the wanted effect of a cold aircraft? Angus I've had it work both ways and so I don't presume any condition prior to saving a flight (well, actually I have done and regretted later when I had to do it over). When you select a different aircraft, you should set everything related to that aircraft to your standards before saving. In other words, make sure the engines are shut down before you save your new flight if you want them DOA. Since your probably going to go through a set up before saving anyway, killing the engines would just be a step in the process. Don't you just love checklists? I'm really not all that fond of them, unless they're nicely leather-bound. Do you think that we should pray for Microsoft to include a realism setting that requires a full walk-around inspection before climbing into the cockpit? They could have hidden airframe discrepancies that a pilot would have to discover before flying, else be penalized with a greatly increased risk of crashing and burning. After that, we could ask for a virtual air terminal interior complete with all amenities, including a lounge where the crew could have a few belts before going to work (of course we shouldn't want to overdo that). Kalijaa |
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"Michael Nouak" wrote in message ... J Kelley might find the gauge you mentioned useful, I don't. No offense, if you are the author! I just don't feel like installing it into 74 panels for no gain. HTH, Mike I'm pleased that you included the qualifier "might." But who knows, I "might" want to shutdown in an emergency and use it as a crutch. .... .... .... Nah, that wouldn't be "as real as it gets." Kelley |
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