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Old March 15th 05, 10:44 PM
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I had suspected that a Rstol kit was available for the 206. Did it make the
control feel heavy in roll when maneuvering aggressively?

Blue skies to all.

"Teranews" wrote in message
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Correct. I flew a turbo 206 with the Robertson kit. It would droop the
ailerons 10 degrees with the first 15 degrees of flap. We regularly

operated
in and out of a 500 foot strip in Southern Oregon for 14 years.
Al

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Old March 15th 05, 11:33 PM
Don Hammer
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On 14 Mar 2005 13:40:45 -0800, "M" wrote:


I've seen 747 using both the ailerons and outboard spoilers for roll
control. However I've never seen the aileron-as-flap thing until I saw
it on the A-330. And I'm quite certain that B-737, 747, 757 and 767
don't do that. Nor do I think A-320 families do that either. I've
been on a A-340 once but I didn't pay attention to the control
services, it probably does it just like A-330. Never rode on a B777.


If you notice on most of the Boeings, they have inboard and outboard
ailerons. The outboards are locked out with flaps retracted and roll
comes from the inboards and spoilers.
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Old March 16th 05, 12:19 AM
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Yes, it did. After an afternoon of horsing it around, my left elbow was raw
from the armrest. Made for good upper body strength though. Al


"private" wrote in message
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I had suspected that a Rstol kit was available for the 206. Did it make
the
control feel heavy in roll when maneuvering aggressively?

Blue skies to all.

"Teranews" wrote in message
news:1110905672.beb14466ee7812b1cb84a18618da6a10@t eranews...
Correct. I flew a turbo 206 with the Robertson kit. It would droop the
ailerons 10 degrees with the first 15 degrees of flap. We regularly

operated
in and out of a 500 foot strip in Southern Oregon for 14 years.
Al

snip




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Old March 16th 05, 12:34 AM
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Was it heavier all the time (flaps up) or just when maneuvering with
flaps+15/aileron+10 ?

What is the attitude on final with full flaps?

Blue skies to all

"Teranews" wrote in message
news:1110928754.003f917ce6e34bbe271b2bbe6e8f8f2a@t eranews...
Yes, it did. After an afternoon of horsing it around, my left elbow was

raw
from the armrest. Made for good upper body strength though. Al


"private" wrote in message
news:6HIZd.689751$8l.10062@pd7tw1no...
I had suspected that a Rstol kit was available for the 206. Did it make
the
control feel heavy in roll when maneuvering aggressively?

Blue skies to all.

"Teranews" wrote in message
news:1110905672.beb14466ee7812b1cb84a18618da6a10@t eranews...
Correct. I flew a turbo 206 with the Robertson kit. It would droop the
ailerons 10 degrees with the first 15 degrees of flap. We regularly

operated
in and out of a 500 foot strip in Southern Oregon for 14 years.
Al

snip






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Old March 16th 05, 01:06 AM
Teranews
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It wasn't bad with the flaps up, but got heavier with them down. I didn't
notice any change in attitude with the Robertson kit, but Power off, Full
flap, Heavy, that airplane would go downhill rapidly. Al


"private" wrote in message
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Was it heavier all the time (flaps up) or just when maneuvering with
flaps+15/aileron+10 ?

What is the attitude on final with full flaps?

Blue skies to all

"Teranews" wrote in message
news:1110928754.003f917ce6e34bbe271b2bbe6e8f8f2a@t eranews...
Yes, it did. After an afternoon of horsing it around, my left elbow was

raw
from the armrest. Made for good upper body strength though. Al


"private" wrote in message
news:6HIZd.689751$8l.10062@pd7tw1no...
I had suspected that a Rstol kit was available for the 206. Did it make
the
control feel heavy in roll when maneuvering aggressively?

Blue skies to all.

"Teranews" wrote in message
news:1110905672.beb14466ee7812b1cb84a18618da6a10@t eranews...
Correct. I flew a turbo 206 with the Robertson kit. It would droop the
ailerons 10 degrees with the first 15 degrees of flap. We regularly
operated
in and out of a 500 foot strip in Southern Oregon for 14 years.
Al

snip








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Old March 16th 05, 03:14 AM
Gord Beaman
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Bob Moore wrote:

(Roy Smith) wrote
Doesn't the DC-9 work this way too? I have a vague recollection of
talking to a DC-9 pilot who explained the system to me -- mechanical
interconnections to servo tabs, with the main surfaces floating free.


Don't know about the DC-9, but the B-707 worked that way.

Bob Moore
PanAm(retired)


Really?, I'd have thought that the 707 (and maybe DC-9 too) would
have had powered controls?...
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-Gord.
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Old March 16th 05, 04:15 AM
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Gord Beaman wrote
Really?, I'd have thought that the 707 (and maybe DC-9 too) would
have had powered controls?...


Rudder...yes, Ailerons and Elevator...no.
In fact, the two elevators were not connected to each other. It was
not unusual to see a taxing 707 with one elevator up and the other
one down. Each positioned by a control tab, the left one by the left
yoke and the right one by the right yoke. The two yokes were connected
under the cockpit by a coupler that would slip if forced. Airflow
would cause the tabs to "fly" the elevators to the commanded position.
The ailerons operated in a somewhat similiar fashion.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)
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Old March 16th 05, 06:44 AM
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M wrote:

I've seen 747 using both the ailerons and outboard spoilers for roll
control. However I've never seen the aileron-as-flap thing until I saw
it on the A-330. And I'm quite certain that B-737, 747, 757 and 767
don't do that. Nor do I think A-320 families do that either. I've
been on a A-340 once but I didn't pay attention to the control
services, it probably does it just like A-330. Never rode on a B777.


I think the 767 has the aileron-as-flap thing. BTW: How's Q?

Hilton


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Old March 16th 05, 05:28 PM
Corky Scott
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On 14 Mar 2005 12:28:39 -0800, "M" wrote:

I was sitting on a Northwest Airbus A-330 a few Sunday's ago at Tokyo
Narita airport waiting for everybody to board on the flight back to
Seattle, when I noticed something strange with the ailerons. Both
ailerons were at their full
downward deflection at about 30 degrees. Things like this can of
course never
happen in any light GA planes where the ailerons are mechanically
linked to
move in opposite directions.


Things like this can happen to ordinary GA light planes and in fact
has been around at least since WWII.

Google Fieseler Fi 156 Storch.

Corky Scott


 




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