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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution
As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center
mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case there is body armor in play). This is standard defensive shooting methodology. I've carried concealed for over thirty years, and fortunately have never had to draw a weapon in defense, and hope I never have to. I have had several times that I have had to "consider" it. If I was confronted with an enraged man with a club (technically assault), coming at my daughter and myself, I would have to "consider" my options, before battery resulted from the assailant. It doesn't sound like it got close to that point, only pointing out that if the mall cop, (who I don't "believe" has any more legal standing than any one else), kept coming with a club, then someone who could defend themselves, may just do that. A couple other points, it could be that he was just following orders from his management. It could be that he really thought he was doing good for his country; just misguided. It could be, like many sheeple, he lives in fear of the boogeyman. Or he could just be a dickhead. "Morgans" wrote in message ... "newsgroups.comcast.net" wrote If I was there with my daughter, and he started coming at me and my daughter with a baton, I would have to consider doing a double tap, and one. Although your way was for the best. Enlighten the group, as to what a "double tap" is, please? -- Jim in NC |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution
"newsgroups.comcast.net" wrote in message ... As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case there is body armor in play). No, when a double tap is followed by a shot to the head it is a Mozambique. |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution
newsgroups.comcast.net wrote:
A couple other points, it could be that he was just following orders from his management. The fact that he left and then returned indicates to me that he was. I suspect he headed over to the office to ask management what to do. George Patterson Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor. It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him. |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:19:43 -0400, "newsgroups.comcast.net"
wrote: As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case there is body armor in play). This is standard defensive shooting methodology. I've carried concealed for over thirty years, and fortunately have never had to draw a weapon in defense, and hope I never have to. I have had several times that I have had to "consider" it. If I was confronted with an enraged man with a club (technically assault), coming at my daughter and myself, I would have to "consider" my options, before battery resulted from the assailant. Including evaluating your options regarding fleeing the scene before producing your weapon, right? It doesn't sound like it got close to that point, only pointing out that if the mall cop, (who I don't "believe" has any more legal standing than any one else), kept coming with a club, then someone who could defend themselves, may just do that. The way I understand it, at least in the jurisdictions I'm familiar with, you're only legally allowed to use the bare minimum force necessary to deal with the oncoming assailant and escape, and if you have the option to run, you're required to do that before shooting at them, unless they also have a weapon with some range (a-la they have a gun themselves). I don't think that shooting someone with a club who is out of range of using it, who is not pursuing you, taking place in an open area where you can run away would be justified homicide in these parts. |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution (long reply to Jay
Jay wrote:
" Anyway, it's just a thought. It might be more effective than beating up all GA pilots on the internet, day after day? :-)" You're right. After getting the bum rush from the airport, the airport consultant, the FAA etc., I vented a few times on this forum. But I've said repeatedly that its a shame that 10% or so are the ones giving GA a bad name.... The Mooney guy seems to have cut it out, at least the 4:55 am stuff-- wondering if the other people complaining finally got the airports (which has noise abatement procedures, theoretically) attention. On the flight training biz: Thanx for the advice. One of the local schools trains on Pipers, another Cessnas. I'm over 6' too, and the old 152 i trained in years back doesn't leave an awful lot of head room or leg room. I've never been in a Piper before. Cessna bills its Skylane as a "stable, easy to fly" machine. Do you think that's true, and how would the Piper compare? (I'll be good (not that I won't ever go after the nefarious Phil Boyer anymore); the rest of the group can thank Jay!) |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution
I agree with everything you said. My options are, walk (or whatever to
leave), talk, defend (with the least amount of force required). I never meant to advocate shooting someone with a club from a distance, and never would. My point was that if someone comes at my daughter and/or me, and "KEEPS" coming, enraged/angered with a club, then I would have to weigh my options to defend myself, "IF" I was unable to get my daughter, and me away safely, and not able to talk the situation down. Like I said, it doesn't seem like the original situation got to that point. I do think that the mall cop could have been charged with assault, if he did indicate that he was going to use his baton, just as much as if you or I went after someone with a club. I don't believe that fleeing or "minimum force" are requirements everywhere, but I agree that people should definitely know any regulations that apply to them, per their location. You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat to your life. This is my last posting on this part of the thread, as I think it's totally OT for an aviation newsgroup. "Peter Clark" wrote in message ... Including evaluating your options regarding fleeing the scene before producing your weapon, right? , may just do that. The way I understand it, at least in the jurisdictions I'm familiar with, you're only legally allowed to use the bare minimum force necessary to deal with the oncoming assailant and escape, and if you have the option to run, you're required to do that before shooting at them, unless they also have a weapon with some range (a-la they have a gun themselves). I don't think that shooting someone with a club who is out of range of using it, who is not pursuing you, taking place in an open area where you can run away would be justified homicide in these parts. |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution (long reply to Jay
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:36:53 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote: Jay wrote: " Anyway, it's just a thought. It might be more effective than beating up all GA pilots on the internet, day after day? :-)" You're right. After getting the bum rush from the airport, the airport consultant, the FAA etc., I vented a few times on this forum. But I've said repeatedly that its a shame that 10% or so are the ones giving GA a bad name.... The Mooney guy seems to have cut it out, at least the 4:55 am stuff-- wondering if the other people complaining finally got the airports (which has noise abatement procedures, theoretically) attention. On the flight training biz: Thanx for the advice. One of the local schools trains on Pipers, another Cessnas. I'm over 6' too, and the old 152 i trained in years back doesn't leave an awful lot of head room or leg room. I've never been in a Piper before. Cessna bills its Skylane as a "stable, easy to fly" machine. Do you think that's true, and how would the Piper compare? (I'll be good (not that I won't ever go after the nefarious Phil Boyer anymore); the rest of the group can thank Jay!) This just warms my heart! I hope you do go get your license, and I hope you keep us posted. Let us know about your training, and tell us when you solo! Bill Strahan ------------ Find a new reason to fly www.adventurepilot.com ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution (long reply to Jay H.)
"Skylune" snip
What this is all about: snipped Nothing is more frustrating than being frustrated. I can understand your frustration of not getting any satisfaction. I can also understand your frustration of owning a property and then not being able to enjoy it due to the actions of others, especially if those actions were not evident prior to your purchase. Granted, you knew the property was near an airport, but like you said, the actions of a few, not the majority, is what spoiled it. I think, unfortunately, that it is human nature for those that you have complained to, to protect the insiders and shun the outsiders, for it is the insiders with who they associate. I think that another way to skin that cat would be to resume your flight training while learning who the offenders are, then approach them individually. You may have more success as an "insider approaching another insider". Just an idea, it may work and you may enjoy your training, or it may not work and you may find that the offender is just a jerk and nothing will sway him from his ways. I personally can not tolerate neighbors. Not that I do not enjoy people, but I am a rather private person. I do not like unannounced visitors, salesmen, or even phone calls. When I'm at home, I want to be left alone. A neighbors repetitive barking dog, leaf blower, or loud muffler would simply drive me crazy. I feel fortunate that I can live in a rather isolated area and own all of the surrounding property. I feel sorry for those who wish they could but can not. best of luck, Jim |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution (long reply to Jay
Thanks, Jim.
After I tried to be reasonable with the airport, then the FAA, then the airport's paid consultant, by asking that the noise abatement procedures be adhered to (safety permitting, obviously), and that the airport actually implement the processes they themselves agreed to in a 1990 Part 150 study. No one ever asked for total silence, or that the airport be shut down, etc. Nonetheless, I got nothing but grief and push back. Not the best way to maintain good relations with the surrounding community, IMO. It certainly set me off after a time. So I began my counterassault. My research eventually led me to various news groups, including this one. Great source of information as to what the pilots are thinking. I'll admit that some of my earlier posts were over-the-top and inappropriately attacked the GA community as a whole. The really ironic thing is, as I mentioned to Jay H, all this aviation talk has helped reignite my interest in restarting my long-ago abandoned training. If I do it, I'll find myself in the position of actually patronizing the airport I was attacking. LOL. |
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Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution (long reply to Jay
Skylune wrote:
training. If I do it, I'll find myself in the position of actually patronizing the airport I was attacking. LOL. ....and in no time you'll be thinking, geeez, I really wish we had these extra 500' of runway to play with :-) --Sylvain |
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