Fair Tribunals at Guantanamo? (Was: YANK CHILD ABUSERS :: another reason to kill americans abroad ???)

"Jim" wrote in message
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: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:23:47 -0500, "Jim"
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: What is unsatisfactory in your View might I ask..
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: The fact that your government is detaining British citizens
: illegally. and that they are facing a kangaroo court.
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So who's paying the Aussies for all this kangaroo export traffic....

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"vince" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message
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Why occupy someone elses
country against the wishes of its inhabitants ?

Like IRELAND?

And which bit of the island of Ireland is occupied against the wishes of
a
majority of its inhabitants?

oooooo how clever

if you kill the inhabitnats nd bring inyour own folks its never

"occupied against the wishes of a majority of its inhabitants?"

Come off it Vince, it's all from well before anyone but Indians were a
majority where you live.

Indians are "native americans" we respect that and do our best to
admit to historical oppression.

Vince

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:35:53 -0500, "Jim" wrote:


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On my Visit to Ireland I came to the understanding from talking to
Irishmen
that the majority of "Irish" would perfer the British left...
The Irish I talked with made it clear there was 1 Ireland and the only
reason there is a notheren is a minority of Irishmen (ulsters??) wish
the

I imagine something similar gets said in Iraq as well.

However Ireland has been occupied and held since 1172 or there abouts the
south release in the 1920's

I guess you will have a valid argument if we are still occupying IRAQ in say
800 years.

Yawn.

The discussion was about the treatment of the people kidnapped and
illegally taken and held on a US base in Cuba.

In the ending of 'Animal farm' the pigs and the farmers sit down to a
meal together and its hard to tell them apart. Your Government is
getting more like a bunch of terrorists all the time , its just that
they have better bombs and more assets.
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Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:23:07 +1200, "gblack" wrote:


"Jim" wrote in message
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: "Jim Watt" wrote in message
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: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:23:47 -0500, "Jim"
wrote:
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: What is unsatisfactory in your View might I ask..
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: The fact that your government is detaining British citizens
: illegally. and that they are facing a kangaroo court.
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So who's paying the Aussies for all this kangaroo export traffic....

dunno, not the yanks for sure, they even billed the aussies for the
bombs dropped on Iraq.

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Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com

"Jim" wrote:

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:"William Black" wrote in message
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: "Jim" wrote in message
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: On my Visit to Ireland I came to the understanding from talking to
: Irishmen
: that the majority of "Irish" would perfer the British left...
: The Irish I talked with made it clear there was 1 Ireland and the only
: reason there is a notheren is a minority of Irishmen (ulsters??) wish
:the
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: I imagine something similar gets said in Iraq as well.
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:However Ireland has been occupied and held since 1172 or there abouts the
:south release in the 1920's

I think that's wrong. I didn't think they actually took over Ireland
until Liz I.

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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed
and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks
that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has
nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more
important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature,
and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the
exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill

On 5 Aug 2003 17:33:08 -0700, (ZZBunker) wrote:

Jim Watt wrote in message . ..
On 4 Aug 2003 18:08:45 -0700, (ZZBunker) wrote:

The original lease was a hundred years.
Since then, it's been extended. Since Cuba is desparately
in need of US tourism money far more than it's
need of Gitmo or UN money.

I thought it was illegal for US citizens to go there at present.

It's hardly illegal,

CNN report otherwise:

"On President George W. Bush's orders, the Treasury
Department has begun an energetic campaign to track down
and punish Americans who defy U.S. travel restrictions to the
communist-run island, the only country in the world off-limits
to most Americans."

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/....us.travelban/

Checked my memberships and suggestions that I joined that
organisation are baseless.

Unless they are affilliated to the IARU or you are bombing
the British Legion I'm safe.

But of us don't care if they're baseless, since they're
obviously not Cruise-Bomb less, or Reinforced-Cement less.


As for paying $100 dollars for a visa to visit your country, I
don't think so. Cuba sounds more interesting, but not
the concentration camp.

That's good to know. Since we have to keep reminding
you British that we don't *have* a country.

Perhaps thats why you are illegally occupying other people's
although the CIA do list the USA as a country:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/us.html

We have 50 States. Britian has a country, but
it doesn't have bears, lobsters, or bear rifles.

I still believe that the reason America invaded was an
acute shortage of baths. Many of your bathrooms are
without and Dubya missunderstood the word ba'ath.

PS: its spelt Britain and its in a better state.
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Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com

Fred J. McCall wrote in message n
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:However Ireland has been occupied and held since 1172 or there abouts the
:south release in the 1920's

I think that's wrong. I didn't think they actually took over Ireland
until Liz I.


The Military occupation of Ireland began under Strongbow and Henry II
The Treaty of Windsor in 1175 recognized the military conquest.


http://www.rte.ie/culture/millennia/history/0711.html

vince

"ZZBunker" wrote in message
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That's good to know. Since we have to keep reminding
you British that we don't *have* a country.
We have 50 States. Britian has a country, but
it doesn't have bears, lobsters, or bear rifles.

No, Britain *is* a country (note spelling). It does have lobsters and why
would we need Bear Rifles if we dont have any bears?

HTH

BMFull

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"vince" wrote:
| Fred J. McCall wrote in message n
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| :However Ireland has been occupied and held since 1172 or there
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| :south release in the 1920's
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| I think that's wrong. I didn't think they actually took over
Ireland
| until Liz I.
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| The Military occupation of Ireland began under Strongbow and Henry II
| The Treaty of Windsor in 1175 recognized the military conquest.
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| http://www.rte.ie/culture/millennia/history/0711.html

From your link: "Before Henry VIII came to power in 1509 the English had
little influence over Ireland. Henry feared that foreign or domestic
enemies would use Ireland as a base for attacking him."

Apples and oranges. Henry VII was worried that the Anglo-norman
military occupiers of Ireland would use it as a base. Not the native
Irish.

Ireland was essentially a proprietary colony. Large land grant were
awarded in Ireland to anglo norman soldier adventurers who coudl then
go and fight to take the land from the locals.

vince

"Ben Full" wrote in message ...
"ZZBunker" wrote in message
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That's good to know. Since we have to keep reminding
you British that we don't *have* a country.
We have 50 States. Britian has a country, but
it doesn't have bears, lobsters, or bear rifles.

No, Britain *is* a country (note spelling). It does have lobsters and why
would we need Bear Rifles if we dont have any bears?

Great Britain is an Island. Teh united kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland is a country. Arguably Scotland is some kind of
"country" But I dont think "britain" qualifies as a country. It is
accepted that citizens of the UK are described as "British"

vince