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  #11  
Old March 10th 20, 08:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Craig Funston[_3_]
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On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 11:58:51 AM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:15:02 PM UTC-6, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:20:27 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 7:56:47 AM UTC-7, John Carlyle wrote:
To load user data with the new versions (v2.7.1) they want you to use iTunes.

On Linux Ubuntu 18.04 LTS you can use ilibimobile, but (1) you must use the very latest version from GitHub and (2) you must load the user data into the iGlide folder, not the asp or the wpt folders. Upon starting iGlide afterwards, you'll get asked whether you want to import the new data, answer yes.

There is a slightly different technique needed on Macs, hopefully Jon Fitch will document this.

-John, Q3

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 10:51:39 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 9:33:38 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
In an effort not to hijack a recent thread any more than I've already done, I decided to start this thread here to deal with any/all my questions regarding this software.

I'm running the "Lite" version of this currently on an iPhone XS Max. So far it is pretty basic in that it will log my flights with a moving map display. I've attempted to customize the boxes at the top and bottom of the screen, but on some flights recently, there are some features that just don't seem to work. I'm not sure if this is because its the Lite version, or if its because of something else. I did notice in a recent link to the online manual that it mentioned somewhere that "some features won't work unless connected to an outside GPS source". I'm curious why that wouldn't work using the phone's built-in GPS. I wasn't able to get it to display glide ratio and am wondering if this is the problem.

I'll likely have more questions about different features, and will try to post them here in this thread unless appropriate for elsewhere.. Thanks.

I'd think the glider L/D calculation would work even on the Lite. As far as an external GPS goes: I had in the past some difficulty with the WiFi link to the Air Vario dropping. In this case you will get a stale position for about 60 seconds or so, then it will default over to the iPhone GPS and barometrics. Several times this happened and I did not notice for a long period of time, the main tipoff being no instantaneous wind vectors and no Flarm targets. Other than that it worked remarkably well on internal sensors. I finally put up the navbox which indicates the source of the GPS data so I would know if it had disconnected.

I had that problem a few years ago for a couple of months, then it seemed to go away, never did discover the cause.

Separate question: how do you upload turn point data to the app on an iPhone?

To load

On Mac, just plug the phone into the Mac. The iPhone will appear in the Finder in Locations. Open it and browse to Files - iGlide app. Drag and drop the file there at the top level (not in th WPT folder). You can also backup all your iGlide files from here by dragging them to your computer. In the future I believe the intent is to make iGlide Files app aware, this will allow many different methods of file transfer - airdrop, email, etc.


Where do I get the turn point files to drop in this folder?


Anyone?


John,

I'm not familiar with iGlide so I don't know what format it uses. I also don't know what country you're in, but if you're in the US, most turnpoints, airspace files, etc. are hosted on Lynn Alley's excellent webpage. Lynn keeps this updated and should be thanked at every opportunity for all the work he does to keep this data relevant (Thanks Lynn!).

http://soaringdata.info/aviation/airportsTab.html

Cheers,
Craig Funston
JN

  #12  
Old March 10th 20, 11:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
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John Foster wrote on 3/10/2020 11:58 AM:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:15:02 PM UTC-6, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:20:27 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:

.

..
..
..
On Mac, just plug the phone into the Mac. The iPhone will appear in the Finder in Locations. Open it and browse to Files - iGlide app. Drag and drop the file there at the top level (not in th WPT folder). You can also backup all your iGlide files from here by dragging them to your computer. In the future I believe the intent is to make iGlide Files app aware, this will allow many different methods of file transfer - airdrop, email, etc.


Where do I get the turn point files to drop in this folder?


Anyone?

Your flying buddies have files you can use, though you might have to convert them
to an iGlide format, like CUP. Ask them to share!
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
  #13  
Old March 11th 20, 12:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
jfitch
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On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 11:58:51 AM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:15:02 PM UTC-6, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:20:27 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 7:56:47 AM UTC-7, John Carlyle wrote:
To load user data with the new versions (v2.7.1) they want you to use iTunes.

On Linux Ubuntu 18.04 LTS you can use ilibimobile, but (1) you must use the very latest version from GitHub and (2) you must load the user data into the iGlide folder, not the asp or the wpt folders. Upon starting iGlide afterwards, you'll get asked whether you want to import the new data, answer yes.

There is a slightly different technique needed on Macs, hopefully Jon Fitch will document this.

-John, Q3

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 10:51:39 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 9:33:38 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
In an effort not to hijack a recent thread any more than I've already done, I decided to start this thread here to deal with any/all my questions regarding this software.

I'm running the "Lite" version of this currently on an iPhone XS Max. So far it is pretty basic in that it will log my flights with a moving map display. I've attempted to customize the boxes at the top and bottom of the screen, but on some flights recently, there are some features that just don't seem to work. I'm not sure if this is because its the Lite version, or if its because of something else. I did notice in a recent link to the online manual that it mentioned somewhere that "some features won't work unless connected to an outside GPS source". I'm curious why that wouldn't work using the phone's built-in GPS. I wasn't able to get it to display glide ratio and am wondering if this is the problem.

I'll likely have more questions about different features, and will try to post them here in this thread unless appropriate for elsewhere.. Thanks.

I'd think the glider L/D calculation would work even on the Lite. As far as an external GPS goes: I had in the past some difficulty with the WiFi link to the Air Vario dropping. In this case you will get a stale position for about 60 seconds or so, then it will default over to the iPhone GPS and barometrics. Several times this happened and I did not notice for a long period of time, the main tipoff being no instantaneous wind vectors and no Flarm targets. Other than that it worked remarkably well on internal sensors. I finally put up the navbox which indicates the source of the GPS data so I would know if it had disconnected.

I had that problem a few years ago for a couple of months, then it seemed to go away, never did discover the cause.

Separate question: how do you upload turn point data to the app on an iPhone?

To load

On Mac, just plug the phone into the Mac. The iPhone will appear in the Finder in Locations. Open it and browse to Files - iGlide app. Drag and drop the file there at the top level (not in th WPT folder). You can also backup all your iGlide files from here by dragging them to your computer. In the future I believe the intent is to make iGlide Files app aware, this will allow many different methods of file transfer - airdrop, email, etc.


Where do I get the turn point files to drop in this folder?


Anyone?


http://soaringweb.org/TP/HomePage.html will have turnpoints for nearly everywhere. I believe iGlide takes .dat or .cup files. Depending on how the file was authored, it may have airports, and those may overlap the iGlide airport database. For this reason it can be worthwhile to filter the airports shown from the airport database in iGlides settings, if you would rather see the airports data from the turnpoint file.
  #14  
Old March 11th 20, 05:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Foster
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On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 11:58:51 AM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:15:02 PM UTC-6, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:20:27 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 7:56:47 AM UTC-7, John Carlyle wrote:
To load user data with the new versions (v2.7.1) they want you to use iTunes.

On Linux Ubuntu 18.04 LTS you can use ilibimobile, but (1) you must use the very latest version from GitHub and (2) you must load the user data into the iGlide folder, not the asp or the wpt folders. Upon starting iGlide afterwards, you'll get asked whether you want to import the new data, answer yes.

There is a slightly different technique needed on Macs, hopefully Jon Fitch will document this.

-John, Q3

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 10:51:39 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 9:33:38 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
In an effort not to hijack a recent thread any more than I've already done, I decided to start this thread here to deal with any/all my questions regarding this software.

I'm running the "Lite" version of this currently on an iPhone XS Max. So far it is pretty basic in that it will log my flights with a moving map display. I've attempted to customize the boxes at the top and bottom of the screen, but on some flights recently, there are some features that just don't seem to work. I'm not sure if this is because its the Lite version, or if its because of something else. I did notice in a recent link to the online manual that it mentioned somewhere that "some features won't work unless connected to an outside GPS source". I'm curious why that wouldn't work using the phone's built-in GPS. I wasn't able to get it to display glide ratio and am wondering if this is the problem.

I'll likely have more questions about different features, and will try to post them here in this thread unless appropriate for elsewhere. Thanks.

I'd think the glider L/D calculation would work even on the Lite. As far as an external GPS goes: I had in the past some difficulty with the WiFi link to the Air Vario dropping. In this case you will get a stale position for about 60 seconds or so, then it will default over to the iPhone GPS and barometrics. Several times this happened and I did not notice for a long period of time, the main tipoff being no instantaneous wind vectors and no Flarm targets. Other than that it worked remarkably well on internal sensors. I finally put up the navbox which indicates the source of the GPS data so I would know if it had disconnected.

I had that problem a few years ago for a couple of months, then it seemed to go away, never did discover the cause.

Separate question: how do you upload turn point data to the app on an iPhone?

To load

On Mac, just plug the phone into the Mac. The iPhone will appear in the Finder in Locations. Open it and browse to Files - iGlide app. Drag and drop the file there at the top level (not in th WPT folder). You can also backup all your iGlide files from here by dragging them to your computer. In the future I believe the intent is to make iGlide Files app aware, this will allow many different methods of file transfer - airdrop, email, etc.

Where do I get the turn point files to drop in this folder?


Anyone?


http://soaringweb.org/TP/HomePage.html will have turnpoints for nearly everywhere. I believe iGlide takes .dat or .cup files. Depending on how the file was authored, it may have airports, and those may overlap the iGlide airport database. For this reason it can be worthwhile to filter the airports shown from the airport database in iGlides settings, if you would rather see the airports data from the turnpoint file.


Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, there is only one list of turn points in MT, and none of them are near me. They all seem to be east of the Rocky Mountains. Nothing seems to be west of Helena. There are no other glider pilots within 4hrs of me, who fly cross country, and only one other who flies a Dimona motor glider locally. Would that mean I have to make my own turn points?
  #15  
Old March 11th 20, 07:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
2KA
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You can start by making a custom airport database at SoaringData.info. Here's how:

1. Go to http://www.soaringdata.info, and select the Airports tab. Follow the link the the airport query page.
2. On line 1 stick in the identifier of your home airport, and select a bounding radius -- how far you might ever expect to fly
3. Type "Soar" on line 5 and hit the submit button.

You will get a CUP file containing current data on all the airports in your bounding circle. You can manually edit that file to add other turnpoints of interest.

You can also get other companion files (like airspace definitions) or versions you can view in Google Earth by selecting check boxes on line 4.

Happy Downloading!

Lynn Alley
"2KA"
  #16  
Old March 11th 20, 08:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Foster
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On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 12:35:30 AM UTC-6, 2KA wrote:
You can start by making a custom airport database at SoaringData.info. Here's how:

1. Go to http://www.soaringdata.info, and select the Airports tab. Follow the link the the airport query page.
2. On line 1 stick in the identifier of your home airport, and select a bounding radius -- how far you might ever expect to fly
3. Type "Soar" on line 5 and hit the submit button.

You will get a CUP file containing current data on all the airports in your bounding circle. You can manually edit that file to add other turnpoints of interest.

You can also get other companion files (like airspace definitions) or versions you can view in Google Earth by selecting check boxes on line 4.

Happy Downloading!

Lynn Alley
"2KA"


Thanks Lynn. What do you view or edit the file in? On a Mac?
  #17  
Old March 11th 20, 12:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Daly[_2_]
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On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 3:11:47 AM UTC-4, John Foster wrote:
On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 12:35:30 AM UTC-6, 2KA wrote:
You can start by making a custom airport database at SoaringData.info. Here's how:

1. Go to http://www.soaringdata.info, and select the Airports tab. Follow the link the the airport query page.
2. On line 1 stick in the identifier of your home airport, and select a bounding radius -- how far you might ever expect to fly
3. Type "Soar" on line 5 and hit the submit button.

You will get a CUP file containing current data on all the airports in your bounding circle. You can manually edit that file to add other turnpoints of interest.

You can also get other companion files (like airspace definitions) or versions you can view in Google Earth by selecting check boxes on line 4.

Happy Downloading!

Lynn Alley
"2KA"


Thanks Lynn. What do you view or edit the file in? On a Mac?


Any text editor - TextEdit works well.
  #18  
Old March 11th 20, 02:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
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John Foster wrote on 3/10/2020 9:20 PM:


Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, there is only one list of turn points in MT, and none of them are near me. They all seem to be east of the Rocky Mountains. Nothing seems to be west of Helena. There are no other glider pilots within 4hrs of me, who fly cross country, and only one other who flies a Dimona motor glider locally. Would that mean I have to make my own turn points?


I've lost track of your exact situation, but ...

Assuming you are the John Foster in Ronan, Mt, you are indeed in a "glider pilot
desert". If you are using iGlide, it provides the all the airports listed in the
FAA database and that are on the sectionals. That's the basic "turnpoint" (aka
database) file you need - no need to get it anywhere else.

Your personal database will have landout fields and turnpoints you want to use for
task, such as badge attempts. You will have to do this yourself, but it's not
difficult. I do it using SeeYou, but there are other means. It will have only a
few entries at first, but you can easily update it as needed, then load it into
iGlide. After a season or two, you will be the "go to" guy for the Ronan area
database.

Just in case it hasn't been mentioned, iGlide Lite is very limited. If you like
it, I recommend you upgrade to at least the next level.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
  #19  
Old March 11th 20, 04:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
2KA
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Yeah, what Dan said. You can also use a spreadsheet program like Excel, if you want to see everything laid out in columns. CUP is just basically a comma-separated value file.

L.
  #20  
Old March 11th 20, 05:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
BG[_4_]
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On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 9:20:17 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 11:58:51 AM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:15:02 PM UTC-6, John Foster wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:20:27 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 7:56:47 AM UTC-7, John Carlyle wrote:
To load user data with the new versions (v2.7.1) they want you to use iTunes.

On Linux Ubuntu 18.04 LTS you can use ilibimobile, but (1) you must use the very latest version from GitHub and (2) you must load the user data into the iGlide folder, not the asp or the wpt folders. Upon starting iGlide afterwards, you'll get asked whether you want to import the new data, answer yes.

There is a slightly different technique needed on Macs, hopefully Jon Fitch will document this.

-John, Q3

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 10:51:39 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 9:33:38 AM UTC-6, jfitch wrote:
On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
In an effort not to hijack a recent thread any more than I've already done, I decided to start this thread here to deal with any/all my questions regarding this software.

I'm running the "Lite" version of this currently on an iPhone XS Max. So far it is pretty basic in that it will log my flights with a moving map display. I've attempted to customize the boxes at the top and bottom of the screen, but on some flights recently, there are some features that just don't seem to work. I'm not sure if this is because its the Lite version, or if its because of something else. I did notice in a recent link to the online manual that it mentioned somewhere that "some features won't work unless connected to an outside GPS source". I'm curious why that wouldn't work using the phone's built-in GPS. I wasn't able to get it to display glide ratio and am wondering if this is the problem.

I'll likely have more questions about different features, and will try to post them here in this thread unless appropriate for elsewhere. Thanks.

I'd think the glider L/D calculation would work even on the Lite. As far as an external GPS goes: I had in the past some difficulty with the WiFi link to the Air Vario dropping. In this case you will get a stale position for about 60 seconds or so, then it will default over to the iPhone GPS and barometrics. Several times this happened and I did not notice for a long period of time, the main tipoff being no instantaneous wind vectors and no Flarm targets. Other than that it worked remarkably well on internal sensors. I finally put up the navbox which indicates the source of the GPS data so I would know if it had disconnected.

I had that problem a few years ago for a couple of months, then it seemed to go away, never did discover the cause.

Separate question: how do you upload turn point data to the app on an iPhone?

To load

On Mac, just plug the phone into the Mac. The iPhone will appear in the Finder in Locations. Open it and browse to Files - iGlide app. Drag and drop the file there at the top level (not in th WPT folder). You can also backup all your iGlide files from here by dragging them to your computer. In the future I believe the intent is to make iGlide Files app aware, this will allow many different methods of file transfer - airdrop, email, etc..

Where do I get the turn point files to drop in this folder?

Anyone?


http://soaringweb.org/TP/HomePage.html will have turnpoints for nearly everywhere. I believe iGlide takes .dat or .cup files. Depending on how the file was authored, it may have airports, and those may overlap the iGlide airport database. For this reason it can be worthwhile to filter the airports shown from the airport database in iGlides settings, if you would rather see the airports data from the turnpoint file.


Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, there is only one list of turn points in MT, and none of them are near me. They all seem to be east of the Rocky Mountains. Nothing seems to be west of Helena. There are no other glider pilots within 4hrs of me, who fly cross country, and only one other who flies a Dimona motor glider locally. Would that mean I have to make my own turn points?



IS there a manual the describes iGlide? Their website does not seem to show one. CUrious how or will it interface with FLARM, how are winds determined, and can you overlay forecast maps??

Buzz

 




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