Where is the LX S80?

I would argue that they weren't "trained pilots". They were systems
managers and, when the systems performed as programmed, rather than in a
manner which the pilots expected, the pilots didn't have the wherewithal
to fly the aircraft out of a simple stall.

Dan Marotta

On 10/22/2014 12:01 AM, jfitch wrote:
On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:23:53 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Off topic but, if the screens in the
Airbus display only necessary data, then why wasn't the simple
message: "LOWER THE FREAKING NOSE" displayed to that crew over the
Atlantic?


That wasn't considered necessary information for trained pilots.....

Sorry for on-topic intervention, but is the variometer technology (hardware) identical in V7, V9 and S80? Or in other words, is there any evidence to think it is not identical?

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:15:57 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
Sorry for on-topic intervention, but is the variometer technology (hardware) identical in V7, V9 and S80? Or in other words, is there any evidence to think it is not identical?

Hardware is similar but the V9 S80 has inertial sensors.
Chart explains

http://www.lxnav.com/products/lxnav-varios.html

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Thursday, 23 October 2014 16:11:45 UTC+3, Richard wrote:
On Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:15:57 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
Sorry for on-topic intervention, but is the variometer technology (hardware) identical in V7, V9 and S80? Or in other words, is there any evidence to think it is not identical?

Hardware is similar but the V9 S80 has inertial sensors.
Chart explains

http://www.lxnav.com/products/lxnav-varios.html

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

What do they use inertial sensors for, besides horizon?

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:04:52 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 16:11:45 UTC+3, Richard wrote:
On Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:15:57 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
Sorry for on-topic intervention, but is the variometer technology (hardware) identical in V7, V9 and S80? Or in other words, is there any evidence to think it is not identical?

Hardware is similar but the V9 S80 has inertial sensors.
Chart explains

http://www.lxnav.com/products/lxnav-varios.html

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

What do they use inertial sensors for, besides horizon?

5.5.2.13 Inertial assisted vario
With the LXNAV S80, it is possible to adjust the influence of g-force on the vario. This
influence is very small and can be set to Off or between 0 and 4.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Thursday, 23 October 2014 17:51:52 UTC+3, Richard wrote:
On Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:04:52 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 16:11:45 UTC+3, Richard wrote:
On Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:15:57 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
Sorry for on-topic intervention, but is the variometer technology (hardware) identical in V7, V9 and S80? Or in other words, is there any evidence to think it is not identical?

Hardware is similar but the V9 S80 has inertial sensors.
Chart explains

http://www.lxnav.com/products/lxnav-varios.html

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

What do they use inertial sensors for, besides horizon?

5.5.2.13 Inertial assisted vario
With the LXNAV S80, it is possible to adjust the influence of g-force on the vario. This
influence is very small and can be set to Off or between 0 and 4.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com


G-force indicates there is only acceleration sensor used, that is whole different thing as full inertial setup.

There are accelerometers for all three axis.

On Thursday, 23 October 2014 18:43:04 UTC+3, wrote:
There are accelerometers for all three axis.

Yes, and if you add 3-axis (MEMS) gyros to that, you'll end up with so-called inertial sensors. You can measure acceleration all you want but those sensors alone cannot calculate the direction of acceleration, you need rate gyros for that. And even rate gyros need long-time reference from other sensors, such as 3D-compass + GPS.

Thank you.
In my next life I will try to be a physicist.
I am greatly attracted to the technology in the Butterfly Vario but in asking many people about their experiences, customer service and support is lacking. I am tired of paying full price to be a beta tester and then get abandoned.

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:11:44 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Thank you.
In my next life I will try to be a physicist.
I am greatly attracted to the technology in the Butterfly Vario but in asking many people about their experiences, customer service and support is lacking. I am tired of paying full price to be a beta tester and then get abandoned.

'I am greatly attracted to the technology in the Butterfly Vario but in asking many people about their experiences, customer service and support is lacking.'

I am a bit surprised by that statement. It is a European company, not Radio Shack down at the mall, nevertheless, my emailed requests and questions to Butterfly are nearly always answered overnight. In the one instance that I had a serious problem with released firmware, I explained what I saw, and had fixed firmware version within a couple of days.

I don't know what your expectations are, but I doubt you would do much better on this type of product unless the company president was a next door neighbor.