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"darwin smith" wrote in message link.net... Jesus was a liberal. Then why do liberals hate him? Why don't liberals espouse the principals that Jesus taught? In fact, we do, mostly. We just deny that he's a particularly authoritative source, and arrive at many of the same principles from other directions. Now, if the *Christians* could just get together around those principles, we might have something. Congratulations! Now we can argue unproductively about both politics and religion in the same thread. I am certain, however, that Jesus did slips with flaps. While programming in FORTH. On a Windows PC. |
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"Ray Andraka" wrote in message ... I get better gas mileage in my '65 Cherokee Six than a Hummer gets on the highway, 153 MPH at 14 GPH = 10.9 miles per gallon (statute miles). Gee, that's something to boast about, a vehicle that gets better gas mileage than a Hummer. |
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ... I am certain, however, that Jesus did slips with flaps. While programming in FORTH. On a Windows PC. To bring a bit of piloting back into this discussion, Jesus handled a plane well. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"darwin smith" wrote in message hlink.net... You've just gone a long way toward's blowing whatever credibility you might have with this statement. It wasn't a statement, it was a question, and one that apparently stumped you. It was a question asked in such a way as to imply that the "answer" was completely obvious - there is no fight against gay marraige. I therefore treated the comment as a statement being expressed in the form of a rhetorical question. Now, I would guess that to you the answer to your "question" is perfectly obvious - there is no fight against gay marriage. If this is so, then could you please explain to me why the Republican efforts in Massachussetts to ban same-sex unions, and "Bush the Lesser's" proposed constitutional amendment are not "fights against gay marriage"/ Actually, there are several methods available that already are acting to prevent abortions, with Planned Parenthood being one of their leading proponents. The fall under the general category of "birth control procedures", and people generally learn about them through something called "sex education". Those are not abortion procedures. While I am firmly pro-choice, You are firmly pro-murder, for that is what abortion is at present. I disagree, obviously, but as I say below I can understand your view. I am willing to admit that the anti-abortion side (which is not necessarily pro-life, so I won't call it such) does have a point. Anti-abortion IS pro-life. Even when there is no exception to save the life of the mother? By the way, I see that you didn't bother to address my comments about birth control, sex education, and generally being around when Suzy really needs the help. Let me know when you're ready and willing to discuss the _complete_ topic of abortion, and have moved beyond just casting judgement on those who happen to disagree with you. Rich Lemert |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Martin Hotze" wrote in message .. . How about a fight FOR gay marriage? No need. Gays marry. I take it from this that you have no problem with same-sex marriages. Good. Now maybe we can get down to the real issue - that gay's don't automatically receive the same rights granted to conventional couples; ie the same inheritence rights, the same rights of legal guardianship, and the like. Rich Lemert |
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"darwin smith" wrote in message hlink.net... It was a question asked in such a way as to imply that the "answer" was completely obvious - there is no fight against gay marraige. There isn't. Gays marry regularly and have done so for quite some time. I therefore treated the comment as a statement being expressed in the form of a rhetorical question. Now, I would guess that to you the answer to your "question" is perfectly obvious - there is no fight against gay marriage. If this is so, then could you please explain to me why the Republican efforts in Massachussetts to ban same-sex unions, and "Bush the Lesser's" proposed constitutional amendment are not "fights against gay marriage"/ Gay marriage is not the same as same-sex marriage. I disagree, obviously, but as I say below I can understand your view. All abortion procedures performed today cause the deliberate death of the child. That is murder by any reasonable definition. Even when there is no exception to save the life of the mother? By the way, I see that you didn't bother to address my comments about birth control, sex education, and generally being around when Suzy really needs the help. Let me know when you're ready and willing to discuss the _complete_ topic of abortion, and have moved beyond just casting judgement on those who happen to disagree with you. Those things are not abortion procedures. We were discussing abortion procedures. |
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"darwin smith" wrote in message hlink.net... I take it from this that you have no problem with same-sex marriages. Well, since same sex marriage does not exist, no, I have no problem with it. Good. Now maybe we can get down to the real issue - that gay's don't automatically receive the same rights granted to conventional couples; ie the same inheritence rights, the same rights of legal guardianship, and the like. Gays have exactly the same rights as conventional couples. |
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