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December 21st 03, 03:06 PM
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What's a CARF?
Here's something I've never seen in a DUATS
briefing before. Can someone enlighten me? Oakland Center (Fremont CA) [ZOA]: December NOTAM #105 issued by Central Alt Res Fac CA [CARF] Central Altitude Reservation Facility notice number 1275 on Bravo stationary reservation within an area bounded by 4040N 12710W 4040N 13200W 3730N 13200W 3730N 12710W. surface - FL200 will be effective December 22nd, 2003 at 12:30 PM PST (0312222030) - December 22nd, 2003 at 03:30 PM PST (0312222330) -- Dr. Tony Cox Citrus Controls Inc. e-mail: http://CitrusControls.com/ 
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#2
December 21st 03, 03:21 PM
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"Tony Cox" wrote in message . net... Here's something I've never seen in a DUATS briefing before. Can someone enlighten me? Oakland Center (Fremont CA) [ZOA]: December NOTAM #105 issued by Central Alt Res Fac CA [CARF] Central Altitude Reservation Facility notice number 1275 on Bravo stationary reservation within an area bounded by 4040N 12710W 4040N 13200W 3730N 13200W 3730N 12710W. surface - FL200 will be effective December 22nd, 2003 at 12:30 PM PST (0312222030) - December 22nd, 2003 at 03:30 PM PST (0312222330) CARF is Central Altitude Reservation Facility, they set up ALTRVs, Altitude Reservations. From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: ALTITUDE RESERVATION- Airspace utilization under prescribed conditions normally employed for the mass movement of aircraft or other special user requirements which cannot otherwise be accomplished. ALTRVs are approved by the appropriate FAA facility. It doesn't say it in that explanation, but the aircraft referred to are military aircraft. At least every ALTRV I've seen was for military aircraft, I suppose they could also be used for civil aircraft under military contract.
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#3
December 21st 03, 05:06 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net... "Tony Cox" wrote in message . net... Here's something I've never seen in a DUATS briefing before. Can someone enlighten me? Oakland Center (Fremont CA) [ZOA]: December NOTAM #105 issued by Central Alt Res Fac CA [CARF] Central Altitude Reservation Facility notice number 1275 on Bravo stationary reservation within an area bounded by 4040N 12710W 4040N 13200W 3730N 13200W 3730N 12710W. surface - FL200 will be effective December 22nd, 2003 at 12:30 PM PST (0312222030) - December 22nd, 2003 at 03:30 PM PST (0312222330) CARF is Central Altitude Reservation Facility, they set up ALTRVs, Altitude Reservations. From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: ALTITUDE RESERVATION- Airspace utilization under prescribed conditions normally employed for the mass movement of aircraft or other special user requirements which cannot otherwise be accomplished. ALTRVs are approved by the appropriate FAA facility. It doesn't say it in that explanation, but the aircraft referred to are military aircraft. At least every ALTRV I've seen was for military aircraft, I suppose they could also be used for civil aircraft under military contract. So what the NOTAM is saying, then, is that I should look out for a swarm of aircraft between the surface and 20,000' over an area of some 40,000 sq. miles for 3 hours. Sounds pretty serious. Think I'll stay on the ground. -- Dr. Tony Cox Citrus Controls Inc. e-mail: http://CitrusControls.com/
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#4
December 21st 03, 05:18 PM
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"Tony Cox" wrote in message link.net... So what the NOTAM is saying, then, is that I should look out for a swarm of aircraft between the surface and 20,000' over an area of some 40,000 sq. miles for 3 hours. Sounds pretty serious. Think I'll stay on the ground. Whatever you think is best. What would have caused you to fly that far off the coast anyway? Do you run some kind of fish-spotting business?
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#5
December 21st 03, 05:26 PM
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looked to me like it was way out over the north pacific also.. you don't
need charts to figure that out... must be some type of Navy exercise with some gunnery going also.. BT "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Tony Cox" wrote in message link.net... So what the NOTAM is saying, then, is that I should look out for a swarm of aircraft between the surface and 20,000' over an area of some 40,000 sq. miles for 3 hours. Sounds pretty serious. Think I'll stay on the ground. Whatever you think is best. What would have caused you to fly that far off the coast anyway? Do you run some kind of fish-spotting business?
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#6
December 21st 03, 05:34 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net... "Tony Cox" wrote in message link.net... So what the NOTAM is saying, then, is that I should look out for a swarm of aircraft between the surface and 20,000' over an area of some 40,000 sq. miles for 3 hours. Sounds pretty serious. Think I'll stay on the ground. Whatever you think is best. What would have caused you to fly that far off the coast anyway? Do you run some kind of fish-spotting business? Hah! More fool me for thinking the NOTAM was relevant! I got that asking for a briefing from Las Vegas to Death Valley, without asking for flow control or non-associated FDC NOTAMS.
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#7
December 21st 03, 06:10 PM
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"BTIZ" wrote in message news:7JkFb.36409$m83.27317@fed1read01... looked to me like it was way out over the north pacific also.. you don't need charts to figure that out... must be some type of Navy exercise with some gunnery going also.. I'm just eyeballing it, but I'd say it's at least 100 miles off the northern California Coast at its closest point. Since it only extends up to FL 200 it's not going to affect many civil aircraft, if any.
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#8
December 21st 03, 06:11 PM
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"Tony Cox" wrote in message link.net... Hah! More fool me for thinking the NOTAM was relevant! I got that asking for a briefing from Las Vegas to Death Valley, without asking for flow control or non-associated FDC NOTAMS. Seems like the briefer is a bit weak on latitude and longitude.
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#9
December 21st 03, 06:23 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net... "Tony Cox" wrote in message link.net... Hah! More fool me for thinking the NOTAM was relevant! I got that asking for a briefing from Las Vegas to Death Valley, without asking for flow control or non-associated FDC NOTAMS. Seems like the briefer is a bit weak on latitude and longitude. Not really. It was DUATS from the web. And I should have realized that the lat/long made it irrelevant. Shouldn't they just establish a "Warning" area instead of this obscure CARF thinggy?
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#10
December 21st 03, 06:43 PM
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"Tony Cox" wrote in message news  Not really. It was DUATS from the web. And I should have realized that the lat/long made it irrelevant. Oh? Is that normal for DUATS? Does it always provide NOTAMs nowhere near your route of flight? Shouldn't they just establish a "Warning" area instead of this obscure CARF thinggy? Warning Areas are charted, but this area appears to be off the charts. The charts that are normally used by civil pilots anyway.
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