Report Leaving Assigned Altitude?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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None of that matters, all operations are governed by the same order.


And subject to local letters of agreement, individual Center policies, etc.

For example, several times I have requested a VFR-On-Top altitude assignment
in the New York area and I have been told flat out by the controllers that
their policies do not permit them to issue such clearances. Similarly,
there are areas of the country where as Visual Climb to a new IFR altitude
can be a very useful tool, yet in other areas of the country I have again
been told flat out that they never issue such clearances.


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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

Newps wrote in
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No. An approach clearance clears you for any altitude
required by the approach, including landing. A visual
approach clearance clears you to the ground.


In that respect there is no difference between a visual
approach and any other type of approach.

Yes, the way I said it was redundant.

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Regards,

Stan

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
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And subject to local letters of agreement, individual Center policies,
etc.


Please post some of them.

"Stan Gosnell" me@work wrote in message
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You can descend from 7000' to 3000' whenever you're ready, but
you need to report when you do. You would report leaving 7000'

Where is it written that any report is needed other than the initial
acknowledgment of the pilot discretion clearance? I would maintain that
acknowledging the pilot discretion clearance satisfies the requirement to
report leaving the altitude. In fact, I have on a number of occasions done
just that and not reported to ATC when I began a pilot-discretion descent,
with no complaint from anyone.

Has anyone here ever acknowledged a pilot discretion clearance and then
started a descent at some later point and received a complaint from ATC that
a second report was needed prior to beginning a descent?


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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

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I can certainly descend to an intermediate altitude on a curise clearance,
then
level off. But, "bob back up?" not me.

That is fine if you choose not to do so, but the AIM is very clear that such
"bobbing back up" is permissible.

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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

with no complaint from anyone.

I suspect the lack of complaint from ATC is no indication that ATC is
pleased with a pilot's behavior. Probably for the same reason that I
no longer chastise people for improper pattern behavior: The supply
of knuckleheads is inexhaustable, and trying to educate them is like
trying to drain the ocean using a thimble.

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
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"Stan Gosnell" me@work wrote in message
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You can descend from 7000' to 3000' whenever you're ready, but
you need to report when you do. You would report leaving 7000'

Where is it written that any report is needed other than the initial
acknowledgment of the pilot discretion clearance? I would maintain that
acknowledging the pilot discretion clearance satisfies the requirement to
report leaving the altitude. In fact, I have on a number of occasions
done
just that and not reported to ATC when I began a pilot-discretion descent,
with no complaint from anyone.

Has anyone here ever acknowledged a pilot discretion clearance and then
started a descent at some later point and received a complaint from ATC
that
a second report was needed prior to beginning a descent?


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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

No. That is what the black letters all in a row that translate to "pilot
discretion" mean. I've done hundreds of them in small aircraft and heavy
(450,000+ lbs).

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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I suspect the lack of complaint from ATC is no indication that ATC is
pleased with a pilot's behavior.


Why would that behavior displease ATC?

No. That is what the black letters all in a row that translate to "pilot
discretion" mean. I've done hundreds of them in small aircraft and heavy
(450,000+ lbs).

I have a similar background. When I was flying the air carrier aircraft, the
company I worked for had as policy that its crews would report leaving a
previously assigned altitude, whether PD or not.

There reasoning was it removed any possibility of ambiguity.

When there are two options, and there is any doubt as to which is right (or
wrong) exercise the option that has the least cost if wrong.

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I have a similar background. When I was flying the air carrier aircraft,
the company I worked for had as policy that its crews would report
leaving a previously assigned altitude, whether PD or not.

There reasoning was it removed any possibility of ambiguity.


Where was ambiguity possible?



When there are two options, and there is any doubt as to which is
right (or wrong) exercise the option that has the least cost if wrong.


What is the cost?