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Very nice flight this morning
I got off a little later than expected due to
an unexpected frost, but the sun soon melted that away and I was off. To me you can't beat flying in the winter cause the cabin is comfortable, the pressure is up, and the sky colors of this time of year are incomparable. It was a scarlet sunrise and I soon settled into a layer smooth as glass. The light glittering off the lake was absolutely beautiful. Trimmed out to hands- free, there was no better way to spend the morning. Finally after a couple of hours, I remembered a place with buttermilk bisquits and it took on importance, so I brought her down, though it seemed like she landed herself. I'm thinking maybe tommorrow we should all celebrate Pearl Harbor Day and enjoy the freedom we have...that didn't come for free. Living in America, --- Mark |
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Very nice flight this morning
On Dec 6, 11:54*am, Mark wrote:
I got off a little later than expected due to an unexpected frost, but the sun soon melted that away and I was off. To me you can't beat flying in the winter cause the cabin is comfortable, the pressure is up, and the sky colors of this time of year are incomparable. It was a scarlet sunrise and I soon settled into a layer smooth as glass. The light glittering off the lake was absolutely beautiful. Trimmed out to hands- free, there was no better way to spend the morning. Finally after a couple of hours, I remembered a place with buttermilk bisquits and it took on importance, so I brought her down, though it seemed like she landed herself. I'm thinking maybe tommorrow we should all celebrate Pearl Harbor Day and enjoy the freedom we have...that didn't come for free. Living in America, --- Mark There was a bad frost at KBED a long time ago when I training for my private, long before first solo. My instructor and I went to the Piper 140 -- windows were coated with frost. He suggested we turn the airplane to the east so the sun would work its magic. As we were moving it, another instructor walked by, saw what we were doing, and asked "Hey, moving it closer to the sun?". We were of course doing that, but I think the difference in the inverse square of the distance to the sun mattered less than the change in cosine of the angle of incidence. But what did I know, beitng a student pilot? I would expect that instructor would put to shame the spammers on this site: he had an overpowering intellect AND a sense of humor. Oh, and he was a real pilot too. He would not be a "Loser On Line". |
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Very nice flight this morning
On Dec 6, 12:12*pm, a wrote:
On Dec 6, 11:54*am, Mark wrote: I got off a little later than expected due to an unexpected frost, but the sun soon melted that away and I was off. To me you can't beat flying in the winter cause the cabin is comfortable, the pressure is up, and the sky colors of this time of year are incomparable. It was a scarlet sunrise and I soon settled into a layer smooth as glass. The light glittering off the lake was absolutely beautiful. Trimmed out to hands- free, there was no better way to spend the morning. Finally after a couple of hours, I remembered a place with buttermilk bisquits and it took on importance, so I brought her down, though it seemed like she landed herself. I'm thinking maybe tommorrow we should all celebrate Pearl Harbor Day and enjoy the freedom we have...that didn't come for free. Living in America, --- Mark There was a bad frost at KBED a long time ago when I training for my private, long before first solo. My instructor and I went to the Piper 140 -- windows were coated with frost. He suggested we turn the airplane to the east so the sun would work its magic. As we were moving it, another instructor walked by, saw what we were doing, and asked "Hey, moving it closer to the sun?". We were of course doing that, but I think the difference in the inverse square of the distance to the sun mattered less than the change in cosine of the angle of incidence. But what did I know, beitng a student pilot? I would expect that instructor would put to shame the spammers on this site: he had an overpowering intellect AND a sense of humor. Oh, and he was a real pilot too. He would not be a "Loser On Line".- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny that you should mention turning the plane, cause that's just what we did. Also, it so happens that this 172 is painted black which speeds up the process exponentially. While waiting a German fellow brought his immaculate LSA Sportcruiser out. What a beauty with that plush interior, blue tinted bubble and graceful lines. I felt lucky just to touch it, but when he offered to let me fly it with him, or, take it up with our CFI mutual friend, I was blown away. As he taxied away and I headed back to the plane, I also had to stop and watch the scarlett sunrise with a fellow in a new Cirrus SR-22. He was having a very good morning and we chatted about his ride too. He was very encouraging, heh, and told me I could get one like his for about.."six and a half". Thats $650,000.00 Seems like too many zeros, even for me. That Arion Lightning is looking better and better! Yeah, loser on line is following me around sniffing my bicycle seat. I guess he thinks I read his posts. Not even. haaa I'm sure your instructor was a cool dude. -- Mark |
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Very nice flight this morning
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:48:06 -0800 (PST), Mark wrote:
As he taxied away and I headed back to the plane, I also had to stop and watch the scarlett sunrise with a fellow in a new Cirrus SR-22. He was having a very good morning and we chatted about his ride too. He was very encouraging, heh, and told me I could get one like his for about.."six and a half". Thats $650,000.00 Seems like too many zeros, *even for a rich guy like me*. Even for you? LOL Oh I forgot a Markiesm. Claims To Be Uber-Wealthy - "It's only $500,000 dollars..."~misc.writing -- _?_ Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. (@ @) Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -oOO-(_)--OOo-------------------------------[ Groucho Marx ]-- grok! Devoted Microsoft User |
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Very nice flight this morning
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:12:24 -0800 (PST), a wrote:
Living in America, --- Mark There was a bad frost at KBED You two are perfect "a", Mark(ie) is a freak and you're a gun toting cretin. Enjoy! -- _?_ Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. (@ @) Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -oOO-(_)--OOo-------------------------------[ Groucho Marx ]-- grok! Devoted Microsoft User |
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This thread is now about Pee Pee Township.
Pee Pee Township is one of the fourteen townships of Pike County,
Ohio, United States. The 2000 census found 7,776 people in the township, including 4,433 people in the village of Waverly, and 3,343 in the unincorporated portions of the township.[3] Fore more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pee_Pee...e_County,_Ohio |
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Very nice flight this morning
In article
, a wrote: There was a bad frost at KBED a long time ago when I training for my private, long before first solo. My instructor and I went to the Piper 140 -- windows were coated with frost. He suggested we turn the airplane to the east so the sun would work its magic. As we were moving it, another instructor walked by, saw what we were doing, and asked "Hey, moving it closer to the sun?". We were of course doing that, but I think the difference in the inverse square of the distance to the sun mattered less than the change in cosine of the angle of incidence. But what did I know, beitng a student pilot? I would expect that instructor would put to shame the spammers on this site: he had an overpowering intellect AND a sense of humor. Oh, and he was a real pilot too. He would not be a "Loser On Line". Reminds me of my first visit to the local wave camp three years ago. Showed up really early in the morning, got the club two-seater (which we had trailered over from our usual airport) out of the hangar, prepped it for flight, and then let it sit out in the sun to clear the frost from the wings. As we're standing around talking and waiting, my instructor, who was once head of the Navy Test Pilot School, turns to a younger club instructor who I think had no non-glider experience and asks, "How much frost on the wings starts to worry you?" The younger instructor gave him an interesting look, and replied, "ANY frost on the wings worries me...." We waited for it all to sublime, then had a nice flight. And I learned an interesting lesson on the different attitudes people can take. (And I'm not saying either one was necessarily wrong, it's just interesting how different the attitudes were and how clearly they were shaped by their respective past experiences.) -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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Very nice flight this morning
On Dec 7, 8:47*am, Mike Ash wrote:
In article , *a wrote: There was a bad frost at KBED a long time ago when I training for my private, long before first solo. My instructor and I went to the Piper 140 -- windows were coated with frost. He suggested we turn the airplane to the east so the sun would work its magic. As we were moving it, another instructor walked by, saw what we were doing, and asked "Hey, moving it closer to the sun?". We were of course doing that, but I think the difference in the inverse square of the distance to the sun mattered less than the change in cosine of the angle of incidence. But what did I know, beitng a student pilot? I would expect that instructor would put to shame the spammers on this site: he had an overpowering intellect AND a sense of humor. Oh, and he was a real pilot too. He would not be a "Loser On Line". Reminds me of my first visit to the local wave camp three years ago. Showed up really early in the morning, got the club two-seater (which we had trailered over from our usual airport) out of the hangar, prepped it for flight, and then let it sit out in the sun to clear the frost from the wings. As we're standing around talking and waiting, my instructor, who was once head of the Navy Test Pilot School, turns to a younger club instructor who I think had no non-glider experience and asks, "How much frost on the wings starts to worry you?" The younger instructor gave him an interesting look, and replied, "ANY frost on the wings worries me...." We waited for it all to sublime, then had a nice flight. And I learned an interesting lesson on the different attitudes people can take. (And I'm not saying either one was necessarily wrong, it's just interesting how different the attitudes were and how clearly they were shaped by their respective past experiences.) Great big smilie... I have a feeling that frost on the wings of a jet fighter wouldn't have the same result as on the wings of a sailplane or even a Club training machine. Of course I'd like to be offered the chance to fly one of those there fighters to see if I'm right. :-) |
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Very nice flight this morning
On Dec 6, 2:59*pm, george wrote:
On Dec 7, 8:47*am, Mike Ash wrote: In article , *a wrote: There was a bad frost at KBED a long time ago when I training for my private, long before first solo. My instructor and I went to the Piper 140 -- windows were coated with frost. He suggested we turn the airplane to the east so the sun would work its magic. As we were moving it, another instructor walked by, saw what we were doing, and asked "Hey, moving it closer to the sun?". We were of course doing that, but I think the difference in the inverse square of the distance to the sun mattered less than the change in cosine of the angle of incidence. But what did I know, beitng a student pilot? I would expect that instructor would put to shame the spammers on this site: he had an overpowering intellect AND a sense of humor. Oh, and he was a real pilot too. He would not be a "Loser On Line". Reminds me of my first visit to the local wave camp three years ago. Showed up really early in the morning, got the club two-seater (which we had trailered over from our usual airport) out of the hangar, prepped it for flight, and then let it sit out in the sun to clear the frost from the wings. As we're standing around talking and waiting, my instructor, who was once head of the Navy Test Pilot School, turns to a younger club instructor who I think had no non-glider experience and asks, "How much frost on the wings starts to worry you?" The younger instructor gave him an interesting look, and replied, "ANY frost on the wings worries me...." We waited for it all to sublime, then had a nice flight. And I learned an interesting lesson on the different attitudes people can take. (And I'm not saying either one was necessarily wrong, it's just interesting how different the attitudes were and how clearly they were shaped by their respective past experiences.) Great big smilie... I have a feeling that frost on the wings of a jet fighter wouldn't have the same result as on the wings of a sailplane or even a Club training machine. Of course I'd like to be offered the chance to fly one of those there fighters to see if I'm right. :-) I have not taken off with frost on the wings, but have gotten into icing conditions a couple of times. The airplane continued to fly well enough, but looking at that stuff grow on the leading edges was not fun. I would not want to have to land with any ice on the laminar flow wings on my airplane, I have no idea when they'll stop flying! Now having enough thrust to carry the stuff is a different story. Mike's glider with its 40 something to 1 glide slope would not need much horsepower to keep it aloft, but I'd bet dew around the stagnation point on the wings would have a bad effect. |
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Very nice flight this morning
In article
, a wrote: Reminds me of my first visit to the local wave camp three years ago. Showed up really early in the morning, got the club two-seater (which we had trailered over from our usual airport) out of the hangar, prepped it for flight, and then let it sit out in the sun to clear the frost from the wings. As we're standing around talking and waiting, my instructor, who was once head of the Navy Test Pilot School, turns to a younger club instructor who I think had no non-glider experience and asks, "How much frost on the wings starts to worry you?" The younger instructor gave him an interesting look, and replied, "ANY frost on the wings worries me...." We waited for it all to sublime, then had a nice flight. And I learned an interesting lesson on the different attitudes people can take. (And I'm not saying either one was necessarily wrong, it's just interesting how different the attitudes were and how clearly they were shaped by their respective past experiences.) Great big smilie... I have a feeling that frost on the wings of a jet fighter wouldn't have the same result as on the wings of a sailplane or even a Club training machine. Of course I'd like to be offered the chance to fly one of those there fighters to see if I'm right. :-) I have not taken off with frost on the wings, but have gotten into icing conditions a couple of times. The airplane continued to fly well enough, but looking at that stuff grow on the leading edges was not fun. I would not want to have to land with any ice on the laminar flow wings on my airplane, I have no idea when they'll stop flying! Now having enough thrust to carry the stuff is a different story. Certainly the thrust-to-weight ratio is a bit higher on the fighter. I've never flown with frost on the wings (have flown through snow a couple of times though, always entertaining) but I have flown through rain and gotten the wings wet. Noticeably detracts from performance (and it's amazing how much water stays on there), but add airspeed to compensate and it's ok. I had this happen on my checkride, actually. Didn't notice too much on the wings, but we were flying around and suddenly I realized that we were doing 50+kts and I had the stick at the back stop. (Normally it should slow to under 40!) After some head scratching and worry, I realized that the horizontal stabilizer was also wet, and the water was destroying its performance. I shoved the trim all the way forward to put the trim tab up and give me more authority, and all was well. I imagine that light frost would be less destructive to performance than rain, and so I wouldn't worry about it too much. On the other hand, what's the harm in waiting for it to go away? I should mention that the former test pilot has an enormous amount of glider experience as well (he does about 1/3rd of all instruction in my glider club, even though we have over a dozen instructors), and he certainly knows what he's doing there, it's just that his overall attitude to flying is a bit less nitpicky and a bit more cavalier than the average instructor's. Mike's glider with its 40 something to 1 glide slope would not need much horsepower to keep it aloft, but I'd bet dew around the stagnation point on the wings would have a bad effect. I've only experienced wet wings in one glider (one of the club two-seaters) but I've read some things about it, and the most striking thing is how differently different airfoils will respond to being wet. Apparently my type deals fairly well with it, but other gliders with similar performance in normal flying can experience a drastic reduction in performance after passing through rain. Aerodynamics is mysterious to me.... -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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