Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution

As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center
mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case there
is body armor in play). This is standard defensive shooting methodology.
I've carried concealed for over thirty years, and fortunately have never had
to draw a weapon in defense, and hope I never have to. I have had several
times that I have had to "consider" it. If I was confronted with an enraged
man with a club (technically assault), coming at my daughter and myself, I
would have to "consider" my options, before battery resulted from the
assailant.

It doesn't sound like it got close to that point, only pointing out that if
the mall cop, (who I don't "believe" has any more legal standing than any
one else), kept coming with a club, then someone who could defend
themselves, may just do that.

A couple other points, it could be that he was just following orders from
his management. It could be that he really thought he was doing good for his
country; just misguided. It could be, like many sheeple, he lives in fear of
the boogeyman. Or he could just be a dickhead.


"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"newsgroups.comcast.net" wrote

If I was there with my daughter, and he started coming at me and my
daughter
with a baton, I would have to consider doing a double tap, and one.
Although
your way was for the best.

Enlighten the group, as to what a "double tap" is, please?
--
Jim in NC

"newsgroups.comcast.net" wrote in message
...
As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center
mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case
there
is body armor in play).

No, when a double tap is followed by a shot to the head it is a Mozambique.

newsgroups.comcast.net wrote:

A couple other points, it could be that he was just following orders from
his management.

The fact that he left and then returned indicates to me that he was. I suspect
he headed over to the office to ask management what to do.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:19:43 -0400, "newsgroups.comcast.net"
wrote:

As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center
mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case there
is body armor in play). This is standard defensive shooting methodology.
I've carried concealed for over thirty years, and fortunately have never had
to draw a weapon in defense, and hope I never have to. I have had several
times that I have had to "consider" it. If I was confronted with an enraged
man with a club (technically assault), coming at my daughter and myself, I
would have to "consider" my options, before battery resulted from the
assailant.

Including evaluating your options regarding fleeing the scene before
producing your weapon, right?

It doesn't sound like it got close to that point, only pointing out that if
the mall cop, (who I don't "believe" has any more legal standing than any
one else), kept coming with a club, then someone who could defend
themselves, may just do that.

The way I understand it, at least in the jurisdictions I'm familiar
with, you're only legally allowed to use the bare minimum force
necessary to deal with the oncoming assailant and escape, and if you
have the option to run, you're required to do that before shooting at
them, unless they also have a weapon with some range (a-la they have a
gun themselves). I don't think that shooting someone with a club who
is out of range of using it, who is not pursuing you, taking place in
an open area where you can run away would be justified homicide in
these parts.

Jay wrote:
" Anyway, it's just a thought. It might be more effective than beating
up all GA pilots on the internet, day after day? :-)"

You're right. After getting the bum rush from the airport, the airport
consultant, the FAA etc., I vented a few times on this forum. But I've
said repeatedly that its a shame that 10% or so are the ones giving GA a
bad name.... The Mooney guy seems to have cut it out, at least the 4:55 am
stuff-- wondering if the other people complaining finally got the airports
(which has noise abatement procedures, theoretically) attention.

On the flight training biz: Thanx for the advice. One of the local
schools trains on Pipers, another Cessnas. I'm over 6' too, and the old
152 i trained in years back doesn't leave an awful lot of head room or leg
room. I've never been in a Piper before. Cessna bills its Skylane as a
"stable, easy to fly" machine. Do you think that's true, and how would
the Piper compare?

(I'll be good (not that I won't ever go after the nefarious Phil Boyer
anymore); the rest of the group can thank Jay!)

I agree with everything you said. My options are, walk (or whatever to
leave), talk, defend (with the least amount of force required). I never
meant to advocate shooting someone with a club from a distance, and never
would. My point was that if someone comes at my daughter and/or me, and
"KEEPS" coming, enraged/angered with a club, then I would have to weigh my
options to defend myself, "IF" I was unable to get my daughter, and me away
safely, and not able to talk the situation down. Like I said, it doesn't
seem like the original situation got to that point. I do think that the mall
cop could have been charged with assault, if he did indicate that he was
going to use his baton, just as much as if you or I went after someone with
a club.

I don't believe that fleeing or "minimum force" are requirements everywhere,
but I agree that people should definitely know any regulations that apply to
them, per their location. You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the
threat to your life.

This is my last posting on this part of the thread, as I think it's totally
OT for an aviation newsgroup.



"Peter Clark" wrote in message
...

Including evaluating your options regarding fleeing the scene before
producing your weapon, right?
, may just do that.

The way I understand it, at least in the jurisdictions I'm familiar
with, you're only legally allowed to use the bare minimum force
necessary to deal with the oncoming assailant and escape, and if you
have the option to run, you're required to do that before shooting at
them, unless they also have a weapon with some range (a-la they have a
gun themselves). I don't think that shooting someone with a club who
is out of range of using it, who is not pursuing you, taking place in
an open area where you can run away would be justified homicide in
these parts.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:36:53 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote:

Jay wrote:
" Anyway, it's just a thought. It might be more effective than beating
up all GA pilots on the internet, day after day? :-)"

You're right. After getting the bum rush from the airport, the airport
consultant, the FAA etc., I vented a few times on this forum. But I've
said repeatedly that its a shame that 10% or so are the ones giving GA a
bad name.... The Mooney guy seems to have cut it out, at least the 4:55 am
stuff-- wondering if the other people complaining finally got the airports
(which has noise abatement procedures, theoretically) attention.

On the flight training biz: Thanx for the advice. One of the local
schools trains on Pipers, another Cessnas. I'm over 6' too, and the old
152 i trained in years back doesn't leave an awful lot of head room or leg
room. I've never been in a Piper before. Cessna bills its Skylane as a
"stable, easy to fly" machine. Do you think that's true, and how would
the Piper compare?

(I'll be good (not that I won't ever go after the nefarious Phil Boyer
anymore); the rest of the group can thank Jay!)



This just warms my heart! I hope you do go get your license, and I
hope you keep us posted. Let us know about your training, and tell us
when you solo!


Bill Strahan
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"Skylune" snip
What this is all about: snipped

Nothing is more frustrating than being frustrated. I can understand your
frustration of not getting any satisfaction. I can also understand your
frustration of owning a property and then not being able to enjoy it due to
the actions of others, especially if those actions were not evident prior to
your purchase. Granted, you knew the property was near an airport, but like
you said, the actions of a few, not the majority, is what spoiled it. I
think, unfortunately, that it is human nature for those that you have
complained to, to protect the insiders and shun the outsiders, for it is the
insiders with who they associate. I think that another way to skin that cat
would be to resume your flight training while learning who the offenders
are, then approach them individually. You may have more success as an
"insider approaching another insider". Just an idea, it may work and you
may enjoy your training, or it may not work and you may find that the
offender is just a jerk and nothing will sway him from his ways.

I personally can not tolerate neighbors. Not that I do not enjoy people,
but I am a rather private person. I do not like unannounced visitors,
salesmen, or even phone calls. When I'm at home, I want to be left alone.
A neighbors repetitive barking dog, leaf blower, or loud muffler would
simply drive me crazy. I feel fortunate that I can live in a rather
isolated area and own all of the surrounding property. I feel sorry for
those who wish they could but can not.

best of luck,

Jim

Thanks, Jim.

After I tried to be reasonable with the airport, then the FAA, then the
airport's paid consultant, by asking that the noise abatement procedures
be adhered to (safety permitting, obviously), and that the airport
actually implement the processes they themselves agreed to in a 1990 Part
150 study. No one ever asked for total silence, or that the airport be
shut down, etc. Nonetheless, I got nothing but grief and push back. Not
the best way to maintain good relations with the surrounding community,
IMO. It certainly set me off after a time. So I began my counterassault.


My research eventually led me to various news groups, including this one.
Great source of information as to what the pilots are thinking. I'll admit
that some of my earlier posts were over-the-top and inappropriately
attacked the GA community as a whole.

The really ironic thing is, as I mentioned to Jay H, all this aviation
talk has helped reignite my interest in restarting my long-ago abandoned
training. If I do it, I'll find myself in the position of actually
patronizing the airport I was attacking. LOL.

Skylune wrote:
training. If I do it, I'll find myself in the position of actually
patronizing the airport I was attacking. LOL.

....and in no time you'll be thinking, geeez, I really wish we had
these extra 500' of runway to play with :-)

--Sylvain