Bend over, folks...

Blueskies wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message .. .
So far, what it says in the article is boat and private jets. I have neither. But, as I suspected long ago, it will
just be a metter of time before they go after my Corben and my F-150. I still stand by my original belief that the
knee-jerk reactions are just a convenient cover to take away our freedoms. I don't need the government to protect
me...I can use my own guns to wipe out terrorists...




Have any of you ever been walking down the street, just minding your own business, when a cop stopped you and asked to
see your ID? Have you ever said no? Did you pay the price for saying no? This has been going on for years,and no-one
seems to give a damn....


Awhile back a black lawyer with dreadlocks used to walk through
white neighbourhoods so the cops would stop him and ask for ID. The
courts decided the police have no right to demand proof of
identification without probable cause. They have since found that
refusal to provide your name verbally is obstruction or something.

Unfortunately too many people who have nothing to hide tell police
who as that they don't mind if their vehicles are searched. If they
think they have probable cause they should have no problem getting a
search warrant. They may cuff you and put you in their vehicle "for
their own protection," to intimidate you into agreeing to a search. An
honest cop will tell you they catch lots of bad guys this way, but it
tramples a law abiding citizen's rights despite what the courts may say.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Scott wrote:
That was my whole point (in a roundabout way)...knee-jerk reactions will
not solve this problem. My gun can (help) protect me and my family at
home (forgot to mention that part)...can't pack heat while at church or
the shopping mall, so I have to take some risks in life. But...I don't
feel the government can effectively protect me either...


Get a concealed carry permit. Very few places can deny you the right
to carry once you have one. Churches are private property and can say
yes or no, malls are public property so you can carry. Here in Florida
schools, courthouses, cop shops and the like are off limits for
concealed carry. Supposedly businesses can't say no unless they post it.
I won't carry into a home where the resident is opposed to fire arms
out of respect to the resident. Vermont has no requirements for open or
concealed carry permits.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article ,
"Montblack" wrote:

("jl" wrote)
I saw him a few weeks later about the same time and he waved at me. I
think I taught the little gnatsie a lesson.


The cop was right, you were wrong - with that ....."attitude".


Paul-Mont

Nope.

He was right and the cop was wrong.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Rich S. wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message
...

That was my whole point (in a roundabout way)...knee-jerk reactions will
not solve this problem. My gun can (help) protect me and my family at
home (forgot to mention that part)...can't pack heat while at church or
the shopping mall, so I have to take some risks in life. But...I don't
feel the government can effectively protect me either...


You obviously don't attend my church. (Not being funny - I attend and am a
member of a mainstream Christian church.)

Rich S.



While living at Zuehl I attended the Country Church in Marion -
pretty regularly too.

Nondenominational with a heavy Baptist/Methodist spin.

Now these are good old country boys - but for the most part they
all left their shooters in their trucks...

It was, after all, Church...

("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
I'm prepared to deny under torture that you ever brought me an ice filled
water bottle at Oshkosh.


That's easy enough for you to say, ....YOU'VE got the water bottle we need
for the torture!


Paul-Mont

On Jun 17, 3:57 pm, "Montblack" Y4_NOT!...
wrote:
("jl" wrote)

I saw him a few weeks later about the same time and he waved at me. I
think I taught the little gnatsie a lesson.

The cop was right, you were wrong - with that ....."attitude".

Paul-Mont

Maybe I should have put in the initial details. I was walking east
parallel to the main road. The cruiser was headed west. At the
turnoff to the bowling alley the cruiser suddenly turned into the
bowling alley parking lot, which is lit up like Christmas, and gunned
the engine, doing a 180 and speeding toward me from behind. The
cruiser pulled right in front of me, blocking my path and putting me
in a fight or flight mode. If you've ever had a large motor vehicle
threaten you right out of the blue you know the feeling. If you
haven't then you're unusually lucky. Of course, one can't always
recite all the details which accurately portray an occurrence, so you
try to do it the best you can. But the second thing the officer did
to antagonize was to shine a bright spotlight into my face.

Now I may come back and read in this thread but won't get into a fuss
about anything already said here. I am in my sixties and have had
many experiences with law officers, most of them good. This one just
happened to be acting like a thug.

"cavelamb himself" skrev i meddelandet
k.net...
CBS news story about the Department of Homeland Security decision
to require identification of all operators and passengers of all
private boats and planes...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2939438.shtml

We have met the enemy - and he is us...

USA, homeland of freedom and democrasy? Misspelling intended.
I'ts sad to read about what's happening in your country.
Hope it will get much better!

All the best Owe R.

In article .com, jl
wrote:

This one just
happened to be acting like a thug.

No offense, and with all due respect, I'd like to hear the cop's side
of the incident.

I signed up for the "citizen's ride" with a cop one night and saw him
stop several people. I told him I thought they were doing nothing
wrong, to which he replied that he knows everyone in the neighborhood
and he stops anyone after dark who looks like they don't belong. He's
paid to be curious and suspicious. If he asks someone to leave and he
doesn't, then he has more options.

Other notable laws -- it's illegal to come within 3 feet of an officer
without his permission. Um, not in a crowd, of course, but when he
stops you, if you step within his legally defined "space," then you've
broken a law and he has options. In this state, you can't refuse to
allow a cop to search your car, including the trunk. It's a similar
offense to refuse to open the trunk as it is to refuse to take a breath
test for DWI. Additionally, if there are two lanes in your direction,
then you must change lanes (if it's safe to do so) to put an empty lane
between the two of you as you pass a patrol car.

On the overall security situation our lawmakers have created for us, it
seems to me that any "temporary" rights-diluting measure intended to
deal with an immediate need (a) will become institutionalized and
permanent as well as extended to meet other needs in the way of
precedence (search and seizure comes to mind), and (b) makes it
difficult if not impossible for we who are supposed to be the guardians
of the Constitution to pass it along intact to future generations, and
likewise harder for future generations to do the same, because it was
so easily corrupted as it's become.

I'm sure that all of you are appalled at the very idea of having to be
positively tracked and checked and subject to search in your boats and
cars. But, what did you expect? We are being threatened by increments
of necessity, necessity being defined by extreme law-enforcement and
security types who would ID all of us, collect every piece of data
about us, put chips in us, and add us all to lists according to the
specifics of that data. Will you be surprised when just being on too
many lists will put you on another list that makes you a person of
interest?

Where were y'all when this process bean? We said "great going" at
every security measure that's come down on us since none of them really
affected us very much personally. Now that their attention has turned
to boats and airplanes, there's nobody left to speak out for us.
Remember this... (?)

First they came for the communists,
and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Think about it! Now they're coming for us. Why are we surprised or
shocked? You are now a "person of interest" if you own an aircraft or
boat. Heck, you're a "person of interest" if you visit an FAA office.
Have you done it lately? Nothing should shock you after that
experience. Geeze.

Scud

"General aviation -- going, going..."

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
ink.net...

While living at Zuehl I attended the Country Church in Marion -
pretty regularly too.

Nondenominational with a heavy Baptist/Methodist spin.

Now these are good old country boys - but for the most part they
all left their shooters in their trucks...

It was, after all, Church...

I don't live in the "country". Not the city, either. Kinda of a
bedroom/retirement/sorta rural area. Lots of retired military around here. I
wouldn't wear a burnoose to church though, stand up screaming "Allah Akbar"
and pull out an AK. Life expectancy would be measured in seconds.

Rich "I'm proud of my church" S.

"Rich S." wrote in message
...
bedroom/retirement/sorta rural area. Lots of retired military around here.
I wouldn't wear a burnoose to church though, stand up screaming "Allah
Akbar" and pull out an AK. Life expectancy would be measured in seconds.

Oh, yeah that type of stuff happens all the time. Grow up. You don't need a
gun, you need a clue.