Washington DC airspace closing for good?

Michael 182 wrote:
It's incredibly stupid, but it is not, as the topic suggests, a proposal to
close DC airspace. I assume it is a proposal to make the ADIZ permanent.

Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace. That
effectively closes it to many of us.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in aIfIe.12003$W72.2040@trndny05::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace. That
effectively closes it to many of us.

The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.
Perhaps there are so many authorized flights using the airspace now,
that it is too congested to permit effective radar tracking of primary
targets. If so, perhaps a new radar installation might be more
effective.

One wonders how flights originating within the airspace, and
congressional commuters will be handled when it becomes Restricted.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in aIfIe.12003$W72.2040@trndny05::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace.
That
effectively closes it to many of us.

The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.

Crap.

http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.

moo

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:34:59 -0400, "Happy Dog"
wrote in ::

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in aIfIe.12003$W72.2040@trndny05::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace.
That
effectively closes it to many of us.

The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.

Crap.


Oh, no thank you.


http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.

While I've been an AOPA member for decades, I completely fail to
understand how that relates to your outburst.

moo


Oh. And here I expected to be debating with a non bovine airman. Oh
well...

Larry Dighera wrote:

Oh, no thank you.


http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.

While I've been an AOPA member for decades, I completely fail to
understand how that relates to your outburst.

moo


Oh. And here I expected to be debating with a non bovine airman. Oh
well...

Stand down, Larry.

He was expressing his frustration to the newsgroup at large regarding the
news that this closing looks to be a reality and he making a statement to
pilots in general that now more than ever pilots need to join AOPA to fight
this restriction.

He was not directing his comments specifically at you.

--
Peter

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:09:10 -0400, "Peter R."
wrote in ::

Stand down, Larry.

He was expressing his frustration to the newsgroup at large regarding the
news that this closing looks to be a reality

I wish I had your gift of prescience.

and he making a statement to pilots in general that now more than ever
pilots need to join AOPA to fight this restriction.

A couple of letters to congressional representatives couldn't hurt
either.

He was not directing his comments specifically at you.

Given the second dictionary definition below:

Main Entry:2crap
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle English crappe chaff, residue from rendered fat,
perhaps from Old French crappe chaff, residue, from Medieval Latin
crappa
Date:circa 1897

1 a usually vulgar : EXCREMENT b usually vulgar : the act of
defecating
2 sometimes vulgar : NONSENSE, RUBBISH; also : STUFF 4b

The ambiguity of his one word sentence is easily misconstrued as
refuting my statement.

Thanks for your interpretation.

Larry Dighera wrote:

The ambiguity of his one word sentence is easily misconstrued as
refuting my statement.

Yep, I now can see how your interpretation fits, too. Crap, as in "you
posted crap, Larry." It's amazing that there is any civility in Usenet.

--
Peter

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.

Crap.


Oh, no thank you.

C'mon. Do you really believe that this is being considered to reduce
clutter?

http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.

While I've been an AOPA member for decades, I completely fail to
understand how that relates to your outburst.

Membership dues pay for the fight against this sort of crap. Glad you're on
board!

moo

Not to sound obtuse, but when has the AOPA ever won one of these battles
with the FAA?

And I don't mean the local battles, but a biggie like this one?


Terry


"Happy Dog" wrote in message
. ..
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.

Crap.


Oh, no thank you.

C'mon. Do you really believe that this is being considered to reduce
clutter?

http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.

While I've been an AOPA member for decades, I completely fail to
understand how that relates to your outburst.

Membership dues pay for the fight against this sort of crap. Glad you're
on board!

moo

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:48:10 -0400, "Happy Dog"
wrote in ::

Do you really believe that this is being considered to reduce
clutter?

I'm talking about radar screen clutter. Yes. I see no other rational
reason for the DC ADIZ.

Why do you think it was implemented?