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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote:
I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. Airshows are designed to keep the aircraft's vectors parallel to, or away from the crowd. That's done for a good reason! It means that any crash should miss the crowd. The recent Reno accident shows what can happen when you have vectors towards the crowd.. . Concur and do not concur. Reno was a race (not an AS) however an argument can be made that vectors could be arranged with a greater degree of safety. I have witnessed two airshow accidents. Both happened so quickly and so close to the ground that the pilot couldn't possible have chosen his point of impact. (One was a loop that was apparently started too close to the ground. The pullout point ended up slightly below ground....fatal. The other was a Cri-Cri that lost an engine and then directional control on takeoff. It nearly ended up in the crowd.) We simply do not need races and shows to be less vigilant or less truthful. I would hope that literary incompetence and not determined misdirection by the Chinese involved can be blamed in this particular case. |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
"Sam" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:50:38 -0400, Ray O'Hara wrote:
"Sam" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. Reductio ad absurdum and the slippery slope? Sir, you have a refutation of an argument by carrying that argument to its logical end and so reducing it to an absurd conclusion. Or not. |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
"Ray O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Sam" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. As a Commercial glider pilot, I can only agree. But I already implied as much in my earlier post, and even included in-flight fire. Vaughn |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
"vaughn" wrote in message ... "Ray O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Sam" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. As a Commercial glider pilot, I can only agree. But I already implied as much in my earlier post, and even included in-flight fire. Vaughn it seems to me they should make every pilot first get a glider pilots license and really learn to fly. at an air show a long time ago I watched Bob Hoover take off and once at altitude shut his engines of and then do an areobatic show for a half hour and finally land stopping at a coin he had placed on the runway before taking off. His point as he said in his speech to the crowd was that a crash was rarely the planes fault but usually was the pilots. I onlt have been in a glider once, I took a four hour glider ride near Franconia Notch in the White Mts, it was amazing , so graceful and peaceful. it's something I recommend everybody do. |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
On 10/15/2011 9:11 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
wrote in message ... "Ray wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. As a Commercial glider pilot, I can only agree. But I already implied as much in my earlier post, and even included in-flight fire. Vaughn it seems to me they should make every pilot first get a glider pilots license and really learn to fly. at an air show a long time ago I watched Bob Hoover take off and once at altitude shut his engines of and then do an areobatic show for a half hour and finally land stopping at a coin he had placed on the runway before taking off. His point as he said in his speech to the crowd was that a crash was rarely the planes fault but usually was the pilots. I onlt have been in a glider once, I took a four hour glider ride near Franconia Notch in the White Mts, it was amazing , so graceful and peaceful. it's something I recommend everybody do. What o'haha fails mention is both examples were under good conditions. When things go bad in a high performance aircraft it happens fast and usually not under ideal circumstances. In the event of engine failure flight control rapidly degrades due to lack of hydraulic pressure. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:51:28 -0500, Dan wrote:
On 10/15/2011 9:11 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... "Ray wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. As a Commercial glider pilot, I can only agree. But I already implied as much in my earlier post, and even included in-flight fire. Vaughn it seems to me they should make every pilot first get a glider pilots license and really learn to fly. at an air show a long time ago I watched Bob Hoover take off and once at altitude shut his engines of and then do an areobatic show for a half hour and finally land stopping at a coin he had placed on the runway before taking off. His point as he said in his speech to the crowd was that a crash was rarely the planes fault but usually was the pilots. I onlt have been in a glider once, I took a four hour glider ride near Franconia Notch in the White Mts, it was amazing , so graceful and peaceful. it's something I recommend everybody do. What o'haha fails mention is both examples were under good conditions. When things go bad in a high performance aircraft it happens fast and usually not under ideal circumstances. In the event of engine failure flight control rapidly degrades due to lack of hydraulic pressure. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired hes a kook a kookine kook it el ya a kookie kook kook |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
"Dan" wrote in message ... On 10/15/2011 9:11 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... "Ray wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. As a Commercial glider pilot, I can only agree. But I already implied as much in my earlier post, and even included in-flight fire. Vaughn it seems to me they should make every pilot first get a glider pilots license and really learn to fly. at an air show a long time ago I watched Bob Hoover take off and once at altitude shut his engines of and then do an areobatic show for a half hour and finally land stopping at a coin he had placed on the runway before taking off. His point as he said in his speech to the crowd was that a crash was rarely the planes fault but usually was the pilots. I onlt have been in a glider once, I took a four hour glider ride near Franconia Notch in the White Mts, it was amazing , so graceful and peaceful. it's something I recommend everybody do. What o'haha fails mention is both examples were under good conditions. When things go bad in a high performance aircraft it happens fast and usually not under ideal circumstances. In the event of engine failure flight control rapidly degrades due to lack of hydraulic pressure. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired clearly I wasn't talking about high performance aircraft dannyboi. but you just love to misinterpet anything. **** off |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:24:47 -0400, Ray O'Hara wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ... On 10/15/2011 9:11 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... "Ray wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. As a Commercial glider pilot, I can only agree. But I already implied as much in my earlier post, and even included in-flight fire. Vaughn it seems to me they should make every pilot first get a glider pilots license and really learn to fly. at an air show a long time ago I watched Bob Hoover take off and once at altitude shut his engines of and then do an areobatic show for a half hour and finally land stopping at a coin he had placed on the runway before taking off. His point as he said in his speech to the crowd was that a crash was rarely the planes fault but usually was the pilots. I onlt have been in a glider once, I took a four hour glider ride near Franconia Notch in the White Mts, it was amazing , so graceful and peaceful. it's something I recommend everybody do. What o'haha fails mention is both examples were under good conditions. When things go bad in a high performance aircraft it happens fast and usually not under ideal circumstances. In the event of engine failure flight control rapidly degrades due to lack of hydraulic pressure. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired clearly I wasn't talking about high performance aircraft dannyboi. but you just love to misinterpet anything. **** off a kook a kookine kook it el ya a kookie kook kook |
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Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show
On 17/10/2011 8:32 a.m., george152 wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:24:47 -0400, Ray O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... On 10/15/2011 9:11 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... "Ray wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote: I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I seldom believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it, so therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of video I saw, that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede that in cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot heroics. Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC. engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control. As a Commercial glider pilot, I can only agree. But I already implied as much in my earlier post, and even included in-flight fire. Vaughn it seems to me they should make every pilot first get a glider pilots license and really learn to fly. at an air show a long time ago I watched Bob Hoover take off and once at altitude shut his engines of and then do an areobatic show for a half hour and finally land stopping at a coin he had placed on the runway before taking off. His point as he said in his speech to the crowd was that a crash was rarely the planes fault but usually was the pilots. I onlt have been in a glider once, I took a four hour glider ride near Franconia Notch in the White Mts, it was amazing , so graceful and peaceful. it's something I recommend everybody do. What o'haha fails mention is both examples were under good conditions. When things go bad in a high performance aircraft it happens fast and usually not under ideal circumstances. In the event of engine failure flight control rapidly degrades due to lack of hydraulic pressure. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired clearly I wasn't talking about high performance aircraft dannyboi. but you just love to misinterpet anything. **** off a kook a kookine kook it el ya a kookie kook kook So he has to pretend to be some-one else..What a loser! |
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