I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

"Dick" wrote in message ...

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
...
I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the
people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no
income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't
pre-qualified.


I have bought many houses and was never "pre-qualified." As someone else
said, it means jack-sh*t. You would be amazed at all the "realtors" out
there who have no idea what they are doing. I have had to fill out more
offers due to ignorance and timidness than I should have to because the
realtors had no idea what they were doing.

In my business, realtors are the worst nightmare I have to deal with. Bozos
that couldn't hold any other job, representing people who wishes they know
nothing about...

Oh, well, you get the idea.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

I simply tried to point out why the OP may not be getting the treatment he
expects.

It's really too bad my existance offends you so much, but that's really
your problem, not mine.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

In my business, realtors are the worst nightmare I have to deal with.
Bozos
that couldn't hold any other job, representing people who wishes they know
nothing about...

Oh, well, you get the idea.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Steve Foley wrote:

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't pre-qualified.

Your choice -- you would have missed out on commissions on both the houses I've
bought.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Steve Foley wrote:
I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't pre-qualified.

There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".


You're kidding, right?
There is no bigger liar in the world than someone trying
to sell something.
It's proven every day.

Yes but with real estate, at least, you can go to an open house!!!


"Dan Engleman" wrote in message
...

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.///

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.




Hey T. Roger,

I feel your pain (well kinda). I mess with a little real estate and run
into the same thing. In order to look at a property
you must be "pre-qualified" with many brokers. Well.......I may pay cash.
So I am not going to go through the process of filling out a credit
application, etc.

There is a trade off on this though. Real estate agents and aircraft
dealers don't have time to mess with all the "flakes" who would like to
buy something, but don't have the resourses.
You made the statement about "trying" to get financing for a 200k
purchase.....they probably picked up on that. Most people who want to make
a 200k purchase don't have any doubt about getting the money, as I don't
have any doubt about getting the money for real estate purchases.

Perhaps if you were a little more circumspect with them?????

Of course if you are 22 years old you will have to prove that you are a
rock star, professional athlete, etc. :-)

Good luck,

Dan

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
Yes but with real estate, at least, you can go to an open house!!!



We call those Oshkosh, SnF, etc...

KB

As someone else said, there are plenty of tire kickers asking plane sellers
for demo flights. I have seen this happen before, and there is likely
something about your approach that is making them think you are not a
serious buyer.

Also, many insurers balk at student pilots, especially on a Cirrus. At any
rate, tell us where you are, or how to contact you and maybe I can help you
out. I know a few low people in high places, and would be happy to help you.

I went through all sorts of frustration buying my first new plane. I even
got stood up for an appointment after traveling halfway across the country
to see a plane. Then with barely an apology, they started twisting my arm
for a deposit over the phone!

OTOH, the guy I bought my plane from was top notch, and I still call him
every now and then to say hi. The best and the worst seem to get into
aviation, and not that much in between.




You do not have to buy the plane buy year end to get bonus depreciation
"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for
the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and
they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the
position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has
never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to
know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then
you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.

A deposit isn't the problem for me. I just don't want to deposit money into
a mystery venture, as the aircraft sellers would want me to do.


"Dude" wrote in message
...
As someone else said, there are plenty of tire kickers asking plane
sellers for demo flights. I have seen this happen before, and there is
likely something about your approach that is making them think you are not
a serious buyer.

Also, many insurers balk at student pilots, especially on a Cirrus. At any
rate, tell us where you are, or how to contact you and maybe I can help
you out. I know a few low people in high places, and would be happy to
help you.

I went through all sorts of frustration buying my first new plane. I even
got stood up for an appointment after traveling halfway across the country
to see a plane. Then with barely an apology, they started twisting my arm
for a deposit over the phone!

OTOH, the guy I bought my plane from was top notch, and I still call him
every now and then to say hi. The best and the worst seem to get into
aviation, and not that much in between.




You do not have to buy the plane buy year end to get bonus depreciation
"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for
the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going
to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and
they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the
position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has
never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if
I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to
know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then
you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want
me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.

My reaction was even worse than yours. I told them that if their product was
so bad that they could only sell it to people who had not flown it, then I
did not want one. And, if they could not be trusted to show up for a
meeting, I certainly could not trust them with a deposit.

However. If you give me your name and the city you live in, I will see what
I can do about getting you a demo.



"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
A deposit isn't the problem for me. I just don't want to deposit money into
a mystery venture, as the aircraft sellers would want me to do.


"Dude" wrote in message
...
As someone else said, there are plenty of tire kickers asking plane
sellers for demo flights. I have seen this happen before, and there is
likely something about your approach that is making them think you are
not a serious buyer.

Also, many insurers balk at student pilots, especially on a Cirrus. At
any rate, tell us where you are, or how to contact you and maybe I can
help you out. I know a few low people in high places, and would be happy
to help you.

I went through all sorts of frustration buying my first new plane. I
even got stood up for an appointment after traveling halfway across the
country to see a plane. Then with barely an apology, they started
twisting my arm for a deposit over the phone!

OTOH, the guy I bought my plane from was top notch, and I still call him
every now and then to say hi. The best and the worst seem to get into
aviation, and not that much in between.




You do not have to buy the plane buy year end to get bonus depreciation
"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want
to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for
the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going
to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and
they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the
position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has
never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if
I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to
know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then
you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want
me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.

"T.Roger" wrote:

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy.

Have you offered to pay them for the flight? Most dealers will be happy to demo
a new plane for about $100.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.