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In article AbcLb.9516$6l1.3658@okepread03,
"Gene Storey" wrote: "Chad Irby" wrote Hell, I've known adult humans - I'm not calling them "grown-ups" - who would look you straight in the eye and tell you, seriously, that the United States doesn't need a military, period. If it wasn't for an oil based society, they would be believable. But we need all the Nukes and Forces we can muster to keep the oil fields and the sea lanes open. Thus, until we harness fusion, we are stuck with the MIC (military industrial complex) as a cornerstone of our economy. If you repaced oil with a Magical Energy Source, there'd be some other resource someone would want, and that wouldn't come anywhere near removing the military threat. If you removed oil from the whole Middle East equation, you'd still have a bunch of Muslims who think that the best way to fix their social problems is to kill everyone who's not a Muslim. And a bunch of Chechens who hate Russians. And a bunch of (insert group name here) who hate (insert other group name here). War, while often about resources, is also about non-material things. And the people who want to kill Americans the most don't want to kill us because we buy oil from their countries... -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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In article kecLb.9517$6l1.5172@okepread03,
"Gene Storey" wrote: "Chad Irby" wrote In reality, you'd have to buy a few thousand Patriot batteries, enlist a few hundred thousand people to man them 24/7, and then the bad guys would do something else to kill people. Patriot batteries don't require many people. A 16-man crew, times four (24/7/365), plus support staff. Per battery. You either man the fire department, or you don't. Just think if we didn't have fire departments because they were just too expensive. Is losing an economic center cheaper than manning a defense? Define "lose an economic center." A plane crashing into a building? Then yes, it's much cheaper. A Patriot battery costs upwards of $200 million, for the hardware alone. -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message hlink.net... "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:hE0Lb.9457$6l1.3782@okepread03... You're off a few years. The Air Defense Command went out of business in 1978 (I was there). Air Defense Command became Aerospace Defense Command in 1968. As a USAF major command, ADC was inactivated in 1979 and control of USAF interceptor units and air surveillance radars and control centers was transferred to TAC. Control of space surveillance assets transferred to SAC, and ADC communications assets transferred to AFCC. ADC was inactivated at that time only as a major USAF command, Aerospace Defense Command continued to function as a US specified command. I am pleased that we in ADC continued to exist through the 70s. |
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Mike Marron wrote: I agreed that the original poster either A) had no idea what "standing down" means, or B) was simply trolling. There's a recurring idea in the conspiracy whacko world that we actually *did* "stand down" our interceptor planes on 9/11/2001. Apparently, some folks had this weird idea that we normally ran *lots* of interceptor flights all over the US, for, well, some reason or another, and that we *didn't* do so on 9/11 to make sure no trigger-happy pilots accidentally shot down those four airliners. -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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"Mike Marron" wrote in message ... (OXMORON1) wrote: [snip] The whole intelligence community was screwed up and the only good that I see from 9/11 is posibly the system will be cleaned up in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the USAF an integral part of the intelligence community? If yes, then doesn't the USAF share the blame for 9/11? To understand what happened you would have to look at how the intellegence community was partitioned by congress after Nixon. You see, 'ol tricky dick got the idea that the CIA would be useful to punish his internal enemies. The CIA was not supposed to operate inside the US and so the pieces of the intellegence community were ordered not to talk to eah other. A gaping hole just waiting for 9-11. |
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Chad Irby wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: I agreed that the original poster either A) had no idea what "standing down" means, or B) was simply trolling. There's a recurring idea in the conspiracy whacko world that we actually *did* "stand down" our interceptor planes on 9/11/2001. Apparently, some folks had this weird idea that we normally ran *lots* of interceptor flights all over the US, for, well, some reason or another, and that we *didn't* do so on 9/11 to make sure no trigger-happy pilots accidentally shot down those four airliners. Yeah, we've all heard those wacko 9/11 conspiracy theories and I strongly suspect the original poster/troll was guilty of "B" above. Nevertheless, this has been a very, uh, "interesting" discussion, indeed! |
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Mike Marron wrote: In what far fetched way could the USAF have prevented 9/11? A preemptive strike, perhaps? Recall the Israeli attack on the Osiraq nuclear powerplant near Baghdad back in 1981. On where - Florida where they were taking pilot training? Dave |
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Gene Storey wrote: "Chad Irby" wrote Hell, I've known adult humans - I'm not calling them "grown-ups" - who would look you straight in the eye and tell you, seriously, that the United States doesn't need a military, period. If it wasn't for an oil based society, they would be believable. But we need all the Nukes and Forces we can muster to keep the oil fields and the sea lanes open. Thus, until we harness fusion, we are stuck with the MIC (military industrial complex) as a cornerstone of our economy. The middle east, Europe, and Asia are important to us, only in the way they are dependant on the same energy sources. Our relation to them, is as a competitor, and a threat to keep them from interfering with our oil reserves. I like that closing line "our oil reserves" Dave |
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Dave Holford wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: A preemptive strike, perhaps? Recall the Israeli attack on the Osiraq nuclear powerplant near Baghdad back in 1981. On where - Florida where they were taking pilot training? Of course not. A preemptive strike "wherever terrorists hide, or run, or plan" (e.g: Afghanistan, Indonesia, Iraq, etc. etc...) |
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