United Airlines, We put the "Hospital" in "Hospitality"!

Petzl wrote in
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:30:47 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote in news:el5f1bFb5krU1
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To my mind, the proper solution to the overbooking problem is either
to ban it outright (given that it's deliberate, not just a mistake),

Overbooking is intentional. It is done to try and ensure paying
passengers for all flights.

The plane was full, not over booked.

Not enough is known for me to argue with you. The point is that the
plane was full, airlines can and do overbook to ensure that all seats are
filled.

Four un-booked "staff" turned up last minute requiring seats

Yes, they had to be at the arrival airport for duties. I would assume
those duties included working on another flight from that airport.

or to
require that the airline just keep offering more and more money
until they do get the needed volunteers. If that means they have to
offer
tens
of thousands of dollars, then so be it - that's the price of
overbooking.

The maximum is $1350 and it is usually in the form of a voucher which
can be used on other flights on that same airline. It used to be the
cost of the ticket for a later flight and a dinner at the airport. It
could also include an overnight stay at a local hotel if the later
flight was tomorrow.

I would expect an airline has the right to remove anyone it wants to?
However United Air abused this privilege

No argument on that point.

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On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:58:00 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

Petzl wrote in
news
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:30:47 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote in news:el5f1bFb5krU1
:


To my mind, the proper solution to the overbooking problem is either
to ban it outright (given that it's deliberate, not just a mistake),

Overbooking is intentional. It is done to try and ensure paying
passengers for all flights.

The plane was full, not over booked.

Not enough is known for me to argue with you. The point is that the
plane was full, airlines can and do overbook to ensure that all seats are
filled.

Everyone was seated, so at the point the plane was full not overbooked
(UA spin).

More spin is that four passengers were "randomly" selected?

Airport Security were called when one Asian refused to voluntarily
comply.

The Asian media noted all were Chinese Asian, are reacting against to
what is seen by them as being profiled by UA and removed because of
being Asian.

UA are concerned because they have had over 30 years of operating
profitably in China.

Four un-booked "staff" turned up last minute requiring seats

Yes, they had to be at the arrival airport for duties. I would assume
those duties included working on another flight from that airport.

or to
require that the airline just keep offering more and more money
until they do get the needed volunteers. If that means they have to
offer
tens
of thousands of dollars, then so be it - that's the price of
overbooking.

The maximum is $1350 and it is usually in the form of a voucher which
can be used on other flights on that same airline. It used to be the
cost of the ticket for a later flight and a dinner at the airport. It
could also include an overnight stay at a local hotel if the later
flight was tomorrow.

I would expect an airline has the right to remove anyone it wants to?
However United Air abused this privilege

No argument on that point.

One would expect that removal be done safely?
It was not a frail old Asian man getting his head beaten in by
"Airport Security" and he ruturned for more,

"Somehow he got back on," Tyler Bridges, one of those who filmed the
incident, told NBC News. "He runs back on — dazed, bloodied, kind of
in a mess — yelling, 'I have to get home, I have to get home.'"

Now if one of this Doctors patients took a turn for the worse?
This sounds like a ambulance chasers dream (no win no fee)
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Petzl
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In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"

United settle out of court

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/news...ao-settlement/

keithr0 wrote:

United settle out of court

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/news...ao-settlement/

Phil Allison will be disappointed that this was the punishment for
Dao's "serious, illegal act". Most people will be grateful to Dao for
discouraging all airlines from involuntarily evicting passengers
because of overbooking or because they are giving priority to airline
staff.

On 4/27/2017 11:14 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
keithr0 wrote:

United settle out of court

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/news...ao-settlement/

Phil Allison will be disappointed that this was the punishment for
Dao's "serious, illegal act". Most people will be grateful to Dao for
discouraging all airlines from involuntarily evicting passengers
because of overbooking or because they are giving priority to airline
staff.

Yes indeed.
There is a mindset that after you enter security, everyone else has god
like powers, and you are a helpless captive. That's bull****.

On 27 Apr 2017, Gordon Levi posted some
:

keithr0 wrote:

United settle out of court

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/news...lines-dao-sett
lement/

Phil Allison will be disappointed that this was the punishment for
Dao's "serious, illegal act". Most people will be grateful to Dao for
discouraging all airlines from involuntarily evicting passengers
because of overbooking or because they are giving priority to airline
staff.

It was high time an airline was slapped down for their arrogant behavior.

Granted there have been some incidents where passengers push the envelope
as well, but the overall flying experience is in the toilet these days.

If it takes an extra 1-2 hours to drive somewhere as opposed to flying, I
drive rather than put up with the unnecessary union thug TSA "security"
crap. Those people are a ****ing useless joke.

Seriously. Why should I have to be at the airport checking in two hours
before a one hour up-state flight? It takes another hour to deplane and
get your bags, then you have to get a car anyway. There's another half
hour or more.

The odds are pretty good you're going to get a cold or flu from some sick
jerk on the dirty plane as well too. The planes are filthy.

It's just not worth the hassle unless you absolutely must fly. The
airline industry has shived their own product.

Another pet peeve is flying across country at a little over 400 knots when
the plane can fly much faster. You can see planes even dip below 400 in
places where there is plenty of open sky. No excuse for that. They are
engaging in "fuel saving" practices at the expense of your paid for time.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:38:16 -0000 (UTC), "
wrote:

On 27 Apr 2017, Gordon Levi posted some
:

keithr0 wrote:

United settle out of court

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/news...lines-dao-sett
lement/

Phil Allison will be disappointed that this was the punishment for
Dao's "serious, illegal act". Most people will be grateful to Dao for
discouraging all airlines from involuntarily evicting passengers
because of overbooking or because they are giving priority to airline
staff.

It was high time an airline was slapped down for their arrogant behavior.

Granted there have been some incidents where passengers push the envelope
as well, but the overall flying experience is in the toilet these days.

If it takes an extra 1-2 hours to drive somewhere as opposed to flying, I
drive rather than put up with the unnecessary union thug TSA "security"
crap. Those people are a ****ing useless joke.

Seriously. Why should I have to be at the airport checking in two hours
before a one hour up-state flight? It takes another hour to deplane and
get your bags, then you have to get a car anyway. There's another half
hour or more.

The odds are pretty good you're going to get a cold or flu from some sick
jerk on the dirty plane as well too. The planes are filthy.

It's just not worth the hassle unless you absolutely must fly. The
airline industry has shived their own product.

Another pet peeve is flying across country at a little over 400 knots when
the plane can fly much faster. You can see planes even dip below 400 in
places where there is plenty of open sky. No excuse for that. They are
engaging in "fuel saving" practices at the expense of your paid for time.

Planes are not filthy?
https://youtu.be/wIQlkzgeZ5s
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Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"