Airspeed of military planes

Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.

Many of them fly 250 knots below 10,000'. Some are authorized to fly as fast as
300.

A heavy 747 climbs out at 282 knots...

Thank you! It straightened things out. I was wondering this in a flight
sim.

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
news:ACkQb.132667$I06.1179503@attbi_s01...
"Tetsuji Rai" wrote...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in
the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much
fast
among civilian planes.

Many of them fly 250 knots below 10,000'. Some are authorized to fly as
fast as
300.

A heavy 747 climbs out at 282 knots...

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.

If they are in Special Use Airspace and Military Operating Areas, they can
go as fast as they want -- well, as fast as the mission test plan calls for.
An F-14 Tomcat at Mach 1+, 200 Ft AGL, and 1/2 mile away in a 60 degree
bank with full burner is a visceral thing.

"Casey Wilson" wrote...

If they are in Special Use Airspace and Military Operating Areas, they can
go as fast as they want -- well, as fast as the mission test plan calls for.

Not quite...

Supersonic flight is additionally restricted to designated Supersonic corridors
for non-emergency ops.

"it depends"..

When I was flying the B-1, we would accelerate to 360 knots on climb out..
Coming back down into traffic pattern it was 300knts below 10K
Our flap / gear speed is 240knt (the buzzer comes on below 240knts if the
flaps are not out)

But for low level in IR training routes, we planned 540knt, 500-1500ft AGL
Those IR routes are not in MOA or restricted airspace, but can be, and they
are on the VFR charts for a reason.

BT

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
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Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.

Hi there BT.

A couple questions if you'll indulge us.

At 540 kts and 1000AGL, I'd be damn worried about hitting a GA spam
can. I know the training routes are on the charts, but a lot of GA
pilots don't pay attention to those.

I assume most aircraft have a military version of TCAD/TCAS? Does
this give suficient heads up to keep separation from the slow moving
GA traffic?

Thanks,
Nathan


On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:41:45 -0800, "BTIZ"
wrote:

"it depends"..

When I was flying the B-1, we would accelerate to 360 knots on climb out..
Coming back down into traffic pattern it was 300knts below 10K
Our flap / gear speed is 240knt (the buzzer comes on below 240knts if the
flaps are not out)

But for low level in IR training routes, we planned 540knt, 500-1500ft AGL
Those IR routes are not in MOA or restricted airspace, but can be, and they
are on the VFR charts for a reason.

BT

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
ws.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.

Hi there BT.

A couple questions if you'll indulge us.

At 540 kts and 1000AGL, I'd be damn worried about hitting a GA spam
can. I know the training routes are on the charts, but a lot of GA
pilots don't pay attention to those.

I've dodged more than one or two GA aircraft. We really had to be careful
during crop dusting season.. we'd be at 500ft and they would be below us..
the local Crop dusters knew our routes and would post NOTAM equivelant for
us when there would be working in the route structure.

I assume most aircraft have a military version of TCAD/TCAS? Does
this give suficient heads up to keep separation from the slow moving
GA traffic?

NOPE.. none on the military aircraft when I was flying. Some of the
"fighters" may sweep scan from time to time for GA aircraft.. but not
capable to do that in the B1.

It's called See and Be Seen.. proper use of the Mark1 Eyeball and proper
scanning techniques.

Like I said.. I've seen a few.. had to alter course a couple of times.. but
nothing really close. At least the ones I saw.

BT

"BTIZ"

wrote:Like I said.. I've seen a few.. had to alter course a couple of times..
but
nothing really close. At least the ones I saw.

I was about 50 miles behind a scud-running Stearman, who was inbound to Iron
Mountain at 400 AGL. He called out that a 'black shape' just passed below him.
He didn't see it coming or going. Always wanted to ask: how low do you go?
Thx,
VL

depends on the route structure.. some are limited to 500ft.. some places
1000ft and some places.. 0.. but flying at 0 is tough... most times in the
restricted areas and not the IR routes.. we stay between 200-500

I'm guessing if a "black shape" passed below him,.. and scud running.. that
a rather large shadow passed above him and he thought something was below
him

where is Iron Mountain.. I'm thinking the Upper Peninsula of Michigan? Could
have been a B-52 on approach.. but there were some training areas up there
that they would get down to about 500ft or so.

BT

"MLenoch" wrote in message
...
"BTIZ"

wrote:Like I said.. I've seen a few.. had to alter course a couple of
times..
but
nothing really close. At least the ones I saw.

I was about 50 miles behind a scud-running Stearman, who was inbound to
Iron
Mountain at 400 AGL. He called out that a 'black shape' just passed below
him.
He didn't see it coming or going. Always wanted to ask: how low do you go?
Thx,
VL