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  #11  
Old October 5th 10, 01:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Mike the Strike
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:
On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:

On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.

When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.

Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


.... or you can do what many others do and "hide" it in a nearby tax-
free state. For Californians, Nevada, Arizona and Utah seem to work
quite well!

Mike
  #12  
Old October 5th 10, 04:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
JS
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

Matt, regarding "Use Tax":
In California, the following phrases may be useful in correspondence
with the Bored Of Equalization.
"The glider was purchased in an occasional sale, as per BOE
publication 61, sections 6006.5 and 6367. It is not an aircraft
designed for powered navigation in the air, ref BOE regulation 1593."
Essentially, previously-US-registered gliders purchased from
individuals are exempt from CA Use Tax (sales tax).
Jim
  #13  
Old October 5th 10, 05:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:
On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:

On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.

When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.

Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


There is absolutely no use tax on a sailplane in California, aircraft
not capable of "powered navigation" are exempt -- so motorglider
owners (like me) pay sales tax. The state can try billing you whatever
they want - if you've paid an invalid use tax bill on a glider I thank
you for you donation to the state of California.

You will get assessed a property tax, pretty insignificant in the
overall picture. And where i keep my glider the county puts that fee
towards local airport maintenance so I feel good about paying it.

Darryl
  #14  
Old October 5th 10, 07:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Matt Herron Jr.
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 4, 9:06*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:





On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.


When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.


Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


There is absolutely no use tax on a sailplane in California, aircraft
not capable of "powered navigation" are exempt -- so motorglider
owners (like me) pay sales tax. The state can try billing you whatever
they want - if you've paid an invalid use tax bill on a glider I thank
you for you donation to the state of California.

You will get assessed a property tax, pretty insignificant in the
overall picture. And where i keep my glider the county puts that fee
towards local airport maintenance so I feel good about paying it.

Darryl


Darryl is correct. No use tax in California for gliders. There is
also a use tax exemption for buying an aircraft from a family member
(even with a motor, I believe). I have been told that the tax man
swings by the airport around January each year to count up the planes
to assess property taxes. How does he determine the value to tax if
no price is reported to the FAA? And if the aircraft is not at the
airport in January, I guess he misses it that year?

Matt
  #15  
Old October 5th 10, 02:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
JJ Sinclair
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 4, 11:15*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:
On Oct 4, 9:06*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:





On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:


On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.


When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.


Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


There is absolutely no use tax on a sailplane in California, aircraft
not capable of "powered navigation" are exempt -- so motorglider
owners (like me) pay sales tax. The state can try billing you whatever
they want - if you've paid an invalid use tax bill on a glider I thank
you for you donation to the state of California.


You will get assessed a property tax, pretty insignificant in the
overall picture. And where i keep my glider the county puts that fee
towards local airport maintenance so I feel good about paying it.


Darryl


Darryl is correct. *No use tax in California for gliders. *There is
also a use tax exemption for buying an aircraft from a family member
(even with a motor, I believe). *I have been told that the tax man
swings by the airport around January each year to count up the planes
to assess property taxes. *How does he determine the value to tax if
no price is reported to the FAA? *And if the aircraft is not at the
airport in January, I guess he misses it that year?

Matt- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


The state pukes read the fed aircraft registry every year and send out
a 'feeler' letter to any ship that isn't in their system. They know
nothing more than type aircraft, N number and your address. They will
ask for purchase price, condition, aivionics, etc. Tell them what your
conscience directs, rembering it is not a sin to lie to the tax man!

Years back I got this letter and told them the ship was in
Nevada...............3 months later I got a letter from Nevada, so I
told them the ship was in California. Didn't work, the Counties talk
to each other! Nevada (Washo Co) sent me a tax bill and had no
interest in discussing the amount.

Bottom line....most County assessors know very little about sailplanes
and believed my LS-6 was worth 15K. That ship is now the proud
possession of Matt's daddy!
Cheers,
JJ
JJ
  #16  
Old October 5th 10, 03:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Matt Herron Jr.
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 5, 6:36*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
On Oct 4, 11:15*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:





On Oct 4, 9:06*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:


On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:


On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability.. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.


When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.


Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


There is absolutely no use tax on a sailplane in California, aircraft
not capable of "powered navigation" are exempt -- so motorglider
owners (like me) pay sales tax. The state can try billing you whatever
they want - if you've paid an invalid use tax bill on a glider I thank
you for you donation to the state of California.


You will get assessed a property tax, pretty insignificant in the
overall picture. And where i keep my glider the county puts that fee
towards local airport maintenance so I feel good about paying it.


Darryl


Darryl is correct. *No use tax in California for gliders. *There is
also a use tax exemption for buying an aircraft from a family member
(even with a motor, I believe). *I have been told that the tax man
swings by the airport around January each year to count up the planes
to assess property taxes. *How does he determine the value to tax if
no price is reported to the FAA? *And if the aircraft is not at the
airport in January, I guess he misses it that year?


Matt- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


The state pukes read the fed aircraft registry every year and send out
a 'feeler' letter to any ship that isn't in their system. They know
nothing more than type aircraft, N number and your address. They will
ask for purchase price, condition, aivionics, etc. Tell them what your
conscience directs, rembering it is not a sin to lie to the tax man!

Years back I got this letter and told them the ship was in
Nevada...............3 months later I got a letter from Nevada, so I
told them the ship was in California. Didn't work, the Counties talk
to each other! Nevada (Washo Co) sent me a tax bill and had no
interest in discussing the amount.

Bottom line....most County assessors know very little about sailplanes
and believed my LS-6 was worth 15K. That ship is now the proud
possession of Matt's daddy!
Cheers,
JJ
JJ


He is completely in love with the LS-6, JJ
  #17  
Old October 5th 10, 06:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Ron Gleason
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 4, 6:07*pm, Mike the Strike wrote:
On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:



On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.


When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.


Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


... or you can do what many others do and "hide" it in a nearby tax-
free state. *For Californians, Nevada, Arizona and Utah seem to work
quite well!

Mike


Sorry MIke UT will charge you sales tax and a yearly state use fee.
For experimental planes it is $125 per year.
  #18  
Old October 5th 10, 07:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 5, 6:36*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
On Oct 4, 11:15*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:



On Oct 4, 9:06*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:


On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:


On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability.. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.


When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.


Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


There is absolutely no use tax on a sailplane in California, aircraft
not capable of "powered navigation" are exempt -- so motorglider
owners (like me) pay sales tax. The state can try billing you whatever
they want - if you've paid an invalid use tax bill on a glider I thank
you for you donation to the state of California.


You will get assessed a property tax, pretty insignificant in the
overall picture. And where i keep my glider the county puts that fee
towards local airport maintenance so I feel good about paying it.


Darryl


Darryl is correct. *No use tax in California for gliders. *There is
also a use tax exemption for buying an aircraft from a family member
(even with a motor, I believe). *I have been told that the tax man
swings by the airport around January each year to count up the planes
to assess property taxes. *How does he determine the value to tax if
no price is reported to the FAA? *And if the aircraft is not at the
airport in January, I guess he misses it that year?


Matt- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


The state pukes read the fed aircraft registry every year and send out
a 'feeler' letter to any ship that isn't in their system. They know
nothing more than type aircraft, N number and your address. They will
ask for purchase price, condition, aivionics, etc. Tell them what your
conscience directs, rembering it is not a sin to lie to the tax man!

Years back I got this letter and told them the ship was in
Nevada...............3 months later I got a letter from Nevada, so I
told them the ship was in California. Didn't work, the Counties talk
to each other! Nevada (Washo Co) sent me a tax bill and had no
interest in discussing the amount.

Bottom line....most County assessors know very little about sailplanes
and believed my LS-6 was worth 15K. That ship is now the proud
possession of Matt's daddy!
Cheers,
JJ
JJ


You don't need to get all twisted up in lying to the state franchise
board. You just need to point out it is a glider and exempt from state
sales/use tax.

As for local property tax. Pay the man. Colusa county in particular
routes aircraft property tax back into airport maintenance and that's
a good thing. Other counties do as well.

Darryl
  #19  
Old October 6th 10, 12:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Matt Herron Jr.
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Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 5, 11:52*am, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:36*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:





On Oct 4, 11:15*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 4, 9:06*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:


On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:


On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.


When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.


Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


There is absolutely no use tax on a sailplane in California, aircraft
not capable of "powered navigation" are exempt -- so motorglider
owners (like me) pay sales tax. The state can try billing you whatever
they want - if you've paid an invalid use tax bill on a glider I thank
you for you donation to the state of California.


You will get assessed a property tax, pretty insignificant in the
overall picture. And where i keep my glider the county puts that fee
towards local airport maintenance so I feel good about paying it.


Darryl


Darryl is correct. *No use tax in California for gliders. *There is
also a use tax exemption for buying an aircraft from a family member
(even with a motor, I believe). *I have been told that the tax man
swings by the airport around January each year to count up the planes
to assess property taxes. *How does he determine the value to tax if
no price is reported to the FAA? *And if the aircraft is not at the
airport in January, I guess he misses it that year?


Matt- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


The state pukes read the fed aircraft registry every year and send out
a 'feeler' letter to any ship that isn't in their system. They know
nothing more than type aircraft, N number and your address. They will
ask for purchase price, condition, aivionics, etc. Tell them what your
conscience directs, rembering it is not a sin to lie to the tax man!


Years back I got this letter and told them the ship was in
Nevada...............3 months later I got a letter from Nevada, so I
told them the ship was in California. Didn't work, the Counties talk
to each other! Nevada (Washo Co) sent me a tax bill and had no
interest in discussing the amount.


Bottom line....most County assessors know very little about sailplanes
and believed my LS-6 was worth 15K. That ship is now the proud
possession of Matt's daddy!
Cheers,
JJ
JJ


You don't need to get all twisted up in lying to the state franchise
board. You just need to point out it is a glider and exempt from state
sales/use tax.

As for local property tax. Pay the man. Colusa county in particular
routes aircraft property tax back into airport maintenance and that's
a good thing. Other counties do as well.

Darryl


Is local property tax assessed based on the location of the glider or
the owner? what is the rate for you Darryl, 1%? How did the local
tax guy determine the value of the aircraft?

Matt
  #20  
Old October 6th 10, 01:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Posts: 2,403
Default How to buy a US registered glider

On Oct 5, 4:08*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:
On Oct 5, 11:52*am, Darryl Ramm wrote:



On Oct 5, 6:36*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:


On Oct 4, 11:15*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 4, 9:06*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:


On Oct 4, 4:16*pm, glidergeek wrote:


On Oct 4, 8:07*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:


On Oct 3, 9:01*am, hretting wrote:


I' forgot, I would get a separate bill of sale for the glider and
trailer to avoid having to chase it down later. Constello insures them
separately.
R


Costello doesn't care about the price of either. *it is strictly what
we mutually agree to. *I don't think you are required to report a
price to the FAA either. *The DMV might care about the trailer price
though. *And I don't know about my auto insurance for liability. *They
might care about trailer price too.


Matt


The feds don't care what price you put on the bill of sale, but it
will be reported to the state of California (by the feds) and if you
do not pay Use Tax (aka sales tax) on it within I think it's 90 days
you will get a bill from the State Board of Equalization. The bill
will have your tax calculated based on the $ amount you have reported
on the bill of sale times the use tax rate for your county +penalty
+interest, unless you intend to keep it out of state.


When you go to DMV (to register) you will have to pay Use Tax on the
trailer based on how much you payed for it. If you're an honest tax
payer like me you might consider having your seller give you 2
separate receipts, 1 for the trailer and 1 for the glider both adding
up to the total price of the purchase to make you trip to DMV more
enjoyable.


Then next year be prepared to get a property tax bill from your county
tax man. It will be assessed at proposition 13 rates of 1% of the
value, you will get that every year. One way around that one is if
your glider or airplane is 35 years or older you can apply for an
exemption based on a historical exemption.


There is absolutely no use tax on a sailplane in California, aircraft
not capable of "powered navigation" are exempt -- so motorglider
owners (like me) pay sales tax. The state can try billing you whatever
they want - if you've paid an invalid use tax bill on a glider I thank
you for you donation to the state of California.


You will get assessed a property tax, pretty insignificant in the
overall picture. And where i keep my glider the county puts that fee
towards local airport maintenance so I feel good about paying it.


Darryl


Darryl is correct. *No use tax in California for gliders. *There is
also a use tax exemption for buying an aircraft from a family member
(even with a motor, I believe). *I have been told that the tax man
swings by the airport around January each year to count up the planes
to assess property taxes. *How does he determine the value to tax if
no price is reported to the FAA? *And if the aircraft is not at the
airport in January, I guess he misses it that year?


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The state pukes read the fed aircraft registry every year and send out
a 'feeler' letter to any ship that isn't in their system. They know
nothing more than type aircraft, N number and your address. They will
ask for purchase price, condition, aivionics, etc. Tell them what your
conscience directs, rembering it is not a sin to lie to the tax man!


Years back I got this letter and told them the ship was in
Nevada...............3 months later I got a letter from Nevada, so I
told them the ship was in California. Didn't work, the Counties talk
to each other! Nevada (Washo Co) sent me a tax bill and had no
interest in discussing the amount.


Bottom line....most County assessors know very little about sailplanes
and believed my LS-6 was worth 15K. That ship is now the proud
possession of Matt's daddy!
Cheers,
JJ
JJ


You don't need to get all twisted up in lying to the state franchise
board. You just need to point out it is a glider and exempt from state
sales/use tax.


As for local property tax. Pay the man. Colusa county in particular
routes aircraft property tax back into airport maintenance and that's
a good thing. Other counties do as well.


Darryl


Is local property tax assessed based on the location of the glider or
the owner? *what is the rate for you Darryl, 1%? *How did the local
tax guy determine the value of the aircraft?

Matt


It is the location of the property not the owner. It is based on where
the glider spends most of its time. My residential county contacted me
after purchase (they watch the FAA filings) and invited me to pay, I
just let them know the glider is not kept in their county and gave
them details for where it is kept. I have no idea if they contacted
the other county or not - but those guys survey aircraft at the
gliderports anyhow and I'm happy to pay (but only to one county). Most
likely the county assessor will ask you for a valuation, they might
followup asking for a bill of sale etc. if they suspect B.S., or if
they have glider ports in your area they may assume one based on
similar gliders. The rate varies from county to county. Call you local
county assessors office or look up their web site.

Darryl
 




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