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Wow!
1) You are not "IFR" in controlled airspace (anything but G) until you are told "Cleared to somewhere". 2) You must tell ATC "I'd like to pick up my IFR". They will not simply give it to you when you call up. Most likely its not even in front of them. 3) If you were "IFR" you CANNOT change your altitude w/o ATC oking it. 4) You said it was "VFR". There really is no such thing. It can be "VMC" or "VFR conditions" but VFR is a set of regulatory requirements, not weather. So, you can be IFR in VMC, IFR in IMC or VFR in VMC. I wouldn't recommend VFR in IMC though. -Robert, CFI |
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True, but the "magic" for IFR students to listen to is the "cleared
to". The rest could happen when VFR. A lot of students have a hard time understanding the difference between radar services for instrument approaches (practice approaches) and IFR approaches. Its easier to train students to listen for the magic "cleared to " (the smart guys will ask, "What about 'cleared to Land'"). BTW: Ron, will I see you in Mexico weekend after next with the rest of us in the Mooney group? We're going down to pet grey whales. -Robert, CFI |
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That was my impression as well. He called ATC, they have him a code.
However, there was no indication that the controller knew he was interested in an IFR clearance. |
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Wizard of Draws wrote: The controller had spoken to me on the ground only a few minutes before, so he was expecting me and my IFR plan. My call up to him in the air included "ready to copy IFR". I assume that was why he came back with a IFR code. Presumably it wasn't the same guy. The ground controller knows you want to be IFR. He attaches two strips to the strip holder. Your VFR strip is half the length of an IFR one. You IFR strip is full size. They both go into the holder. When you depart both strips get dropped to the radar controller. That way he knows you want to be IFR. Very simple. |
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On 2/12/05 11:07 AM, in article , "Newps"
wrote: Wizard of Draws wrote: The controller had spoken to me on the ground only a few minutes before, so he was expecting me and my IFR plan. My call up to him in the air included "ready to copy IFR". I assume that was why he came back with a IFR code. Presumably it wasn't the same guy. The ground controller knows you want to be IFR. He attaches two strips to the strip holder. Your VFR strip is half the length of an IFR one. You IFR strip is full size. They both go into the holder. When you depart both strips get dropped to the radar controller. That way he knows you want to be IFR. Very simple. It was the same guy, same frequency: Atlanta Approach on 121.0. I've talked enough to him to recognize the voice. I'm not sure why I would have had a VFR strip. I was departing an uncontrolled field. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.wizardofdraws.com More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.cartoonclipart.com |
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You were a VFR popup first. So even though the code doesn't change what
you did was a two count for ATC. We like guys like that. Wizard of Draws wrote: On 2/12/05 11:07 AM, in article , "Newps" wrote: Wizard of Draws wrote: The controller had spoken to me on the ground only a few minutes before, so he was expecting me and my IFR plan. My call up to him in the air included "ready to copy IFR". I assume that was why he came back with a IFR code. Presumably it wasn't the same guy. The ground controller knows you want to be IFR. He attaches two strips to the strip holder. Your VFR strip is half the length of an IFR one. You IFR strip is full size. They both go into the holder. When you depart both strips get dropped to the radar controller. That way he knows you want to be IFR. Very simple. It was the same guy, same frequency: Atlanta Approach on 121.0. I've talked enough to him to recognize the voice. I'm not sure why I would have had a VFR strip. I was departing an uncontrolled field. |
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On 2/12/05 1:33 PM, in article , "Newps"
wrote: You were a VFR popup first. So even though the code doesn't change what you did was a two count for ATC. We like guys like that. Not sure what you mean, but if you can explain and help me make it easier on you guys, I'm all ears. Did he put me in the system as a VFR flight, assign me a code, even though I was still on the ground and couldn't be sure that I would make it into the air to utilize it? Why would I be a popup when I was expected? By two count, you mean I counted as two separate duties for his workload assignment? -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.wizardofdraws.com More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.cartoonclipart.com |
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When you called you were VFR. That's a one count. Then you were radar
identified and given a clearance. That's another one count. Had you departed the field IFR you would only have been a one count because you were never VFR. It's really neither here nor there from a pilots perspective. He did not put you in the system as a VFR aircraft. He wrote a VFR strip on you and then immediately filed it. He gave you the transponder code off your IFR flight plan. Every facility counts their traffic. The more traffic count the more you get paid. There's a lot of scams and this one is borderline. Even though he wouldn't have done anything different what you did counted as two. One of the greatest scams is one of the centers, Cleveland or Indy I think, lets two adjacent centers run airplanes that just barely nick their airspace and has a letter of agreement set up so they don't have to talk to the plane. Wizard of Draws wrote: On 2/12/05 1:33 PM, in article , "Newps" wrote: You were a VFR popup first. So even though the code doesn't change what you did was a two count for ATC. We like guys like that. Not sure what you mean, but if you can explain and help me make it easier on you guys, I'm all ears. Did he put me in the system as a VFR flight, assign me a code, even though I was still on the ground and couldn't be sure that I would make it into the air to utilize it? Why would I be a popup when I was expected? By two count, you mean I counted as two separate duties for his workload assignment? |
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I think Jose is on to something. They scoffed at Gallileo at first too.
Illigitimi non carborundum est "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "Jose" wrote in message m... Addition and multplication are the same. 2+2 = 2x2 QED. Try it with a number other than 2. Lemma: exponentiation is the same too. 2^2 = 2x2 = 2+2. BFD. Let's get your basic arithmetic up to speed before we move on. And zeros have a big effect on addition. 20+2 is not the same as 2+2, and the only difference is that piddly zero. 20 is not the same as 2. |
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