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Old November 24th 18, 05:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Jim[_33_]
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I have read many FARs that describe the requirements for obtaining a pilot certificate but I have not found an FAR that states a pilot certificate is required in order to fly an aircraft - without passengers and not for compensation or hire. 14 CFR 61.3 details the requirements for a "required pilot flight crewmember" but I do not see that it states a person may not fly an aircraft unless that person has a pilot certificate.

What am I missing?
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Old November 24th 18, 05:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 8:03:43 AM UTC-8, Jim wrote:
I have read many FARs that describe the requirements for obtaining a pilot certificate but I have not found an FAR that states a pilot certificate is required in order to fly an aircraft - without passengers and not for compensation or hire. 14 CFR 61.3 details the requirements for a "required pilot flight crewmember" but I do not see that it states a person may not fly an aircraft unless that person has a pilot certificate.

What am I missing?


Maybe 14 CFR 61.56 Flight Review covers this. It states that no person may act as pilot-in-command of an aircraft unless that person has fulfilled the flight review requirements. Since a person flying an aircraft alone (solo) is the pilot-in-command during that flight maybe the flight review requirement, in what seems to me to be a rather indirect fashion, defines such a flight as against the rules. I really don't know. I think it would be useful to have a clear (?) statement that a pilot certificate is required for a person to fly an aircraft.
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Old November 24th 18, 05:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 8:03:43 AM UTC-8, Jim wrote:
I have read many FARs that describe the requirements for obtaining a pilot certificate but I have not found an FAR that states a pilot certificate is required in order to fly an aircraft - without passengers and not for compensation or hire. 14 CFR 61.3 details the requirements for a "required pilot flight crewmember" but I do not see that it states a person may not fly an aircraft unless that person has a pilot certificate.

What am I missing?


I once heard a story about a guy getting ramp checked as he got out of his aircraft. The aircraft had the proper docs, but they asked for his license he said, "don't have one". And that was it, not licensed not subjected to the licensing requirements. I never paid attention to the story as I am properly trained and licensed
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Old November 24th 18, 05:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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https://www.oig.dot.gov/search?searc...+certifica te

Good luck with that.

PA
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Old November 24th 18, 06:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Sierra Whiskey
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14 CFR 61.3 (copied 24NOV2018)

61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.

(a)Required pilot certificate for operating a civil aircraft of the United States. No person may serve as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of the United States, unless that person:

(1) Has in the person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization -

(i) A pilot certificate issued under this part and in accordance with § 61.19;
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Old November 24th 18, 06:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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14 CFR (24NOV2018)

§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

§ 1.1 General Definitions
Pilot in command means the person who:

(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;

(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and

(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.


§ 61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.

(a)Required pilot certificate for operating a civil aircraft of the United States. No person may serve as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of the United States, unless that person:

(1) Has in the person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization -

(i) A pilot certificate issued under this part and in accordance with § 61.19;
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Old November 24th 18, 07:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 8:28:57 AM UTC-8, Paul Agnew wrote:
https://www.oig.dot.gov/search?searc...+certifica te

Good luck with that.

PA


Thank you Paul. Sure looks like the federal court is unhappy with someone flying an aircraft without having a pilot certificate - assuming these aircraft belonged to the person and were not taken without permission. But what about the FAA?
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Old November 24th 18, 07:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 9:40:44 AM UTC-8, Sierra Whiskey wrote:
14 CFR (24NOV2018)

§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

§ 1.1 General Definitions
Pilot in command means the person who:

(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;

(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and

(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.


§ 61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.

(a)Required pilot certificate for operating a civil aircraft of the United States. No person may serve as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of the United States, unless that person:

(1) Has in the person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization -

(i) A pilot certificate issued under this part and in accordance with § 61.19;


Thank you Sierra Whiskey. This is all "angels on the head of a pin" stuff I suppose, but I do find it interesting. I think what has confused me is the "required pilot flight crewmember" phrase. Would this apply to a person who flies their own aircraft? Would the FAA consider that person a "required pilot flight crewmember"? I have no idea. Fortunately I have a certificate and am rated for the kind of aircraft I fly.
Just curious.
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Old November 24th 18, 09:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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If it takes one crew member to fly, then that crew member is required. Otherwise it will be an "optionally piloted" aircraft or a "remotely operated" aircraft.
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Old November 24th 18, 10:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 1:33:37 PM UTC-7, Sierra Whiskey wrote:
If it takes one crew member to fly, then that crew member is required. Otherwise it will be an "optionally piloted" aircraft or a "remotely operated" aircraft.


Thanks. I will read the appropriate regulation to my Pegasus and warn it against wandering around without me.
 




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