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Schweizer visit to the desert
Our family family recently enjoyed a special one-day's visit to our
home and the gliderport from Les Schweizer. Kinda rare out here in the Southwest. Thrilled to hear from him the second and third (Kyle Schweizer) generation Schweizers are upholding and continuing the over 70 year family tradition of soaring. Even building an airstrip now in Cayuta, New York. One telling comment Les made that "most" of the SGS fleet is still flying in 2007, with a review of serial numbers, revealed that is ineed true. Taking inventory of our own little field; Schweizers are certainly no longer the majority craft in US soaring, but most newbies are still introduced to our sport either with a friend in the back seat of the world's only three-seat Schweizer sailplane or a first lesson in one of the very eaiest to fly, the 2-33 primary trainer. I flew my first glider, an SGS 2-33, in 1971, soloing nine flights later and have had a certain affection for, "Tin Birds" ever since. But never realized just how much foresight and dedication it must have required three brothers back then before the days of composites and "See-you" software to make the tradition of an American glider a reality lasting now into the next century. Recommend, "Born to Fly", "Wings like eagles" and "Soaring with the Schweizers" by Paul and Bill. Some unabashed tooting their own horns, maybe, but even more facinating than the two bicycle building brothers in Ohio in some ways. Michael |
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I recommend parking the Schweizers: they belong in museums!
Bringing new people to this sport and showing them a 40 years old aircraft do nothing to promote soaring in this world of shinny ipods, ATV's, mortorcycles etc... PS: boy, do I expect to be lynched with this post!...:-) |
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a well taken care of "antique" glider is a joy to fly .. and affordable..
many clubs flying only glass have to raise their costs so high to support the purchase and operations with increasing fuel costs that they become to expensive for that "kid hanging on the fence" to afford and get started in flying Especially when you can train in a 2-33 to solo.. and then immediately graduate them into the 1-26 for their solo hours. Add to that the lure of the glass 2 seat and single seater after the "graduate" with a certificate.. it creates "goals" for advancement. BT "jeplane" wrote in message oups.com... I recommend parking the Schweizers: they belong in museums! Bringing new people to this sport and showing them a 40 years old aircraft do nothing to promote soaring in this world of shinny ipods, ATV's, mortorcycles etc... PS: boy, do I expect to be lynched with this post!...:-) |
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Schweizer visit to the desert
I supppose you don't like antique airplanes, either.
Or old houses. or old cars. There are many kinds of people other than those who will only indulge in what's new and hot. Few of them will hang around after the novelty wears off if that is what attracts them. Then there are those who can't afford the top notch, latest stuff. More used cars are sold than new ones. Are those people to be cut off from any access to the sport? Your comment reminds me of a story I read in Reader's Digest back when it was a marginally interesting magazine for the dentist's office: Some old duffer had gone out jogging in a pair of old pants and some beat up tennis shoes. As he passed through a particular neighborhood where two fellows were gabbing, one of them looked and this jogger and then said to the other fellow, 'I always thought you shouldn't take up a sport unless you could afford to dress for it.' At 23:12 14 October 2007, Jeplane wrote: I recommend parking the Schweizers: they belong in museums! Bringing new people to this sport and showing them a 40 years old aircraft do nothing to promote soaring in this world of shinny ipods, ATV's, mortorcycles etc... PS: boy, do I expect to be lynched with this post!...:-) |
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For the cost of a modern trailer you can have a glider and trailer and a
association that has supported it for over 50 years with their own Championships every year. ( The original one-class competition) Go to www.126association.org I understand that some are intimidated by flying low performance gliders, especially when flying crosscrountry, but do not knock it unless you have tried it. Part of the reason is because so many people are trained in higher performance two seaters, so when they get into a low performance glider they are really intimidated. This is really a disservice to people that cannot afford to plop down $25,000 or up for a more modern single seater. Another facet for myself and some others is the satisfaction of doing a task in a 1-26. It's fun doing more with less. Because of the cost of a 1-26 being the cost of a modern trailer, I was able to purchase a glider and trailer in 2000 and have not looked back. I have been flying for fun, racing in the Championships, chasing my badges and having an incredible amount of fun with a really GREAT bunch of people that also fly 1-26's. So buy or borrow a 1-26 and come to the Championships next year at TSA and see what flying low performance is all about. (Hint: it's all about FUN) Kevin R. Anderson SGS 1-26B S# 192 Gold with Diamond Goal "Nyal Williams" wrote in message ... I supppose you don't like antique airplanes, either. Or old houses. or old cars. There are many kinds of people other than those who will only indulge in what's new and hot. Few of them will hang around after the novelty wears off if that is what attracts them. Then there are those who can't afford the top notch, latest stuff. More used cars are sold than new ones. Are those people to be cut off from any access to the sport? Your comment reminds me of a story I read in Reader's Digest back when it was a marginally interesting magazine for the dentist's office: Some old duffer had gone out jogging in a pair of old pants and some beat up tennis shoes. As he passed through a particular neighborhood where two fellows were gabbing, one of them looked and this jogger and then said to the other fellow, 'I always thought you shouldn't take up a sport unless you could afford to dress for it.' At 23:12 14 October 2007, Jeplane wrote: I recommend parking the Schweizers: they belong in museums! Bringing new people to this sport and showing them a 40 years old aircraft do nothing to promote soaring in this world of shinny ipods, ATV's, mortorcycles etc... PS: boy, do I expect to be lynched with this post!...:-) |
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On Oct 14, 7:25 pm, "Kevin Anderson"
wrote: For the cost of a modern trailer you can have a glider and trailer and a association that has supported it for over 50 years with their own Championships every year. ( The original one-class competition) Go towww.126association.org I understand that some are intimidated by flying low performance gliders, especially when flying crosscrountry, but do not knock it unless you have tried it. Part of the reason is because so many people are trained in higher performance two seaters, so when they get into a low performance glider they are really intimidated. This is really a disservice to people that cannot afford to plop down $25,000 or up for a more modern single seater. Another facet for myself and some others is the satisfaction of doing a task in a 1-26. It's fun doing more with less. Because of the cost of a 1-26 being the cost of a modern trailer, I was able to purchase a glider and trailer in 2000 and have not looked back. I have been flying for fun, racing in the Championships, chasing my badges and having an incredible amount of fun with a really GREAT bunch of people that also fly 1-26's. So buy or borrow a 1-26 and come to the Championships next year at TSA and see what flying low performance is all about. (Hint: it's all about FUN) Kevin R. Anderson SGS 1-26B S# 192 Gold with Diamond Goal Hear Hear!! |
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On Oct 15, 1:37 am, Nyal Williams
wrote: I supppose you don't like antique airplanes, either. Or old houses. or old cars. There are many kinds of people Yes, there are many kinds of people! But I can't think of any other "sporting" activity that supports using "antique" (not my words here) equipment in their mainstream activities or training. Sailing? Nope, the sport went to glass 30 years ago! Auto racing? Nope. Cycling? Nope. Heck even golf has modern composite clubs! All of the sports have a place for classic accoutrements and these are very compelling segments of the sport. I loved sailing an "older" wooden schooner, I loved my MGA TC, both of which are my age or older (not tellin which) but for everyday sailing give me a Jboat and an MX5 for comutting. And I notice that most teenagers like an M4 for a roadster, not even glancing at the Morgan standing right beside. I love flying our clubs K8, even got a 200K in it this year (no logger file as I wiped it trying to download, dang) but that does not mean I would want to train in a K13. Looking at the cost, a used Twin III at 50K with a mortgage and insurance should cost a 40 member club about 10$ per member per month. And as this plane will probably last for the next ??? years you would be growing the infrstructure of the club. As to the suitability of the Twin III, K21, PW6 for ab initio training, a lot of clubs in Europe have been doing this for years. As the air molecules over both continents are (mostly) the same these should be fine for training in the States. Just my 1.428275€ cents worth! Bob Bob |
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Ian Cant wrote:
At 06:48 15 October 2007, wrote: Yes, there are many kinds of people! But I can't think of any other 'sporting' activity that supports using 'antique' (not my words here) equipment in their mainstream activities or training. Yes, you make an interesting point and there are many kinds of people. But there are also eggs and apples and oranges. Much sensible stuff snipped... Agreed, low-performance training is not to everyone's taste. But be-littling the Schweizers shows a certain narrowness of mind. And remember, you are not compelled to fly them -you only have to find the operation that uses whatever kind of equipment you prefer. More snipped... Well expressed, Ian. Having begun (U.S.) soaring in 1972 (when there was a war going on that had nothing to do with oil and the middle east...meaning, I've experienced 'many/the-usual' next-generational attitudinal shifts), I've observed the 'new-vs.old' debate as it relates to soaring, ever since then. Now at an age when my thinking 'is supposed to he' certifiably ossified, I'm periodically reminded how uncommon the ability to view things from multiple (yet non-contradictory) perspectives sometimes seems to be. The Great Schweizer Debate comes to mind (wry chuckle). Dissing other's views when they differ from your own is a tactic *far* over-used IMHO. Scorn is a tool, and shouldn't be over-/mis-used, for risk of ruining its value entirely. Holding differing views on how to train future glider pilots isn't fundamentally scornworthy. That's not to suggest scorn may not have a place in (say) a training debate, e.g. a view 'obviously' ludicrous/dangerous/economically fatal/etc. should be exposed as such. After all, ideas have consequences, and not all approaches have equal value. That noted, choosing to continue to use older ships (e.g. Schweizers, Grobs [don't laugh, my club is presently in the throes of precisely this debate, and a 102 and 103 are 'the bad ships'], AS K-7/13's etc.), is *NOT* a acornworthy decision, any more than an individual choosing to keep and maintain an older vehicle (assuming it still meets its mission) in place of periodically updating it 'just because,' is. Both approaches have value, and pros, and cons. Personally, until someone can, or, events (some other club's, ha ha) demonstrate to me that a bet-the-club, economically risky (gambling-based?) approach to growing (as distinct from merely 'churning') soaring has value, I find it difficult to out-of-hand dismiss continuing to use proven hardware that with fundamentally low carrying costs. Let the debate continue...!!! Regards, Bob - not decisionally impaired - W. |
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Ian
I hadn't intended on disparaging the Schweitzer's nor their gliders! I think the 1-26 may just be outranked only by the Libelle for beauty. I am a fan of J3's, Champs, Stearmans and AT6's, planes that I have experienced, but J3's are not used for early training anymore (although I am now sure to learn from RAS that they most certainly used in 3 locations worldwide for initial training) although that is what they were designed for "wayback when"! If General Aviation flight training had not latched onto the "modern" Cessna 150 or 172 for general man off the street customers the world of GA would probably be a lot different, the GA fleet would assumably be much smaller. And heck, a lot of those flight training FBO's are now looking to replace their existing fleets with composite aircraft. See the trend? Again, just my 1.58234 (dollar value changed again this afternoon) €cents worth! Bob |
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