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Old December 8th 09, 01:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Someone could make a funny W&W glider ad with those pics....

On Dec 7, 7:34*pm, "Wayne Paul" wrote:
"Mike the Strike" wrote in ...

Several of our members have recently been surveying possible landing
strips for our contest database and Steve Koerner came across an old
crashed glider in the Arizona desert.....


http://www.flickr.com/photos/3676667...7622824263137/


Registration was N71JR.


V-tail, large flaps, no spoilers. *Our best guess so far is some sort
of HP, but the glider construction seems to have been more composite
than aluminum, so this may be off-base.


Suggestions and speculation welcome!


Mike


I am quite familiar with the Schreder sailplane series. *The tail cone appears to be from on of Dick's kits; however, the spars are unlike any that I have seen. *The only wings I am not familiar with are the 33 to 1 aspect ratio HP-15 wing and the HP-17 wing. *The '17 wing had full-span flaps (no ailerons) and used spoilers for roll control.

It is my understanding that only two HP-15s were built and they both have been re-winged. *One has a HP-16 wing and the other a HP-18 wing.

It is my understanding that only one of the HP-17s was built. *In 1983 Dick still had it. *All Dick's stuff currently is part of the Smithsonian collection or a local Ohio air museum.

Wayne
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Old December 8th 09, 03:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I think Wayne is right; I'd guess that the aft fuselage is of HP
origin.

If that's the glider I'm thinking of, the wing spar is a rectangular
box section of riveted aluminum, covered in polystyrene foam, and
skinned with fiberglass.

Thanks, Bob K.
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Old December 8th 09, 03:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Suggestions and speculation welcome!

Mike


I wonder what happened to the pilot?

agl

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Old December 8th 09, 05:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Dec 7, 9:07*pm, AGL wrote:
Suggestions and speculation welcome!


Mike


I wonder what happened to the pilot?

agl


Can it not be traced through the registration? FAA must have
something!
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Old December 8th 09, 05:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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"None" wrote in message ...
On Dec 7, 9:07 pm, AGL wrote:
Suggestions and speculation welcome!


Mike


I wonder what happened to the pilot?

agl


Can it not be traced through the registration? FAA must have
something!


I am sure the FAA has the records filed away in a vault somewhere. However, the automated NTSB records only go back to 1962. That makes 1962 the online query limit..

My guess is that the accident was before 1962 and N71JP's registration was voided at the time of the accident. As the result the glider's history has disappeared in a file drawer somewhere.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"

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Old December 8th 09, 06:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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MIke, what a great mystery.

Are the flaps of the fowler variety? If so "Wealthy industrialist and
gliding enthusiast, Hugh Keartland sponsored the SA entry into the
World Gliding Championships in Marfa in 1970 and a second BJ4 was
built by Pat in record time. The two gliders, renamed the BJ4A and
BJ4B, were shipped to the US to be flown by Pat and Bomber Jackson.
Unfortunately weather conditions were poor and the craft
disappointed." In fact one was damaged in the WGC. The hitch is I
think the BJ series had a "T" or conventional tail. Great stuff.



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Old December 8th 09, 06:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Dec 7, 6:07*pm, AGL wrote:

I wonder what happened to the pilot?


I think he probably bought a Libelle.
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Old December 8th 09, 07:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Wayne Paul wrote:
"None" wrote in message ...
On Dec 7, 9:07 pm, AGL wrote:
Suggestions and speculation welcome!
Mike
I wonder what happened to the pilot?

agl

Can it not be traced through the registration? FAA must have
something!


I am sure the FAA has the records filed away in a vault somewhere. However, the automated NTSB records only go back to 1962. That makes 1962 the online query limit..

My guess is that the accident was before 1962 and N71JP's registration was voided at the time of the accident. As the result the glider's history has disappeared in a file drawer somewhere.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"


AOPA would be willing to look through the paper records for a modest fee.
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Old December 8th 09, 10:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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John Seaborn wrote:
MIke, what a great mystery.

Are the flaps of the fowler variety? If so "Wealthy industrialist and
gliding enthusiast, Hugh Keartland sponsored the SA entry into the
World Gliding Championships in Marfa in 1970 and a second BJ4 was
built by Pat in record time. The two gliders, renamed the BJ4A and
BJ4B, were shipped to the US to be flown by Pat and Bomber Jackson.
Unfortunately weather conditions were poor and the craft
disappointed." In fact one was damaged in the WGC. The hitch is I
think the BJ series had a "T" or conventional tail. Great stuff.



Hi John

BJ4 had conventional tail, and both are a accounted for - I've "met"
both of them - even helped rig one for a display. If you look in the
soaring encyclopaedia for the term heavy wings it says cf BJ4...

Bruce
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Old December 8th 09, 08:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Mike the Strike wrote:
Several of our members have recently been surveying possible landing
strips for our contest database and Steve Koerner came across an old
crashed glider in the Arizona desert.....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3676667...7622824263137/

Registration was N71JR.

V-tail, large flaps, no spoilers. Our best guess so far is some sort
of HP, but the glider construction seems to have been more composite
than aluminum, so this may be off-base.

Suggestions and speculation welcome!

Mike


Assuming this isn't a digital hoax, the only reasonable conclusion is
this was a drug smuggling prototype on a test run.

These guys are no dummies...hence the use of an abandoned N-number, big
flaps for obstructed-approach, short-field landings, outsized nose vent
for hot-country cooling/quick payload dispersal on the off-chance of
interception, and the choice of landing spot.

That noted, I have no clue what this may once have been. If only planes
could talk...

Intriguing find!

Bob W.
 




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