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Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
But in Death Valley the neighbors don't shoot you down.
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . | "Jim Macklin" wrote: | Absolute lowest altitude, is below sea level in Death Valley | | True for North America. But the Dead Sea is lower: | | http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001763.html | | Dead Sea, Israel-Jordan, 1,349 ft. below sea level (-411 m) | Death Valley, Calif., 282 ft. below sea level (-86 m) | | I'm not sure what aircraft was first to fly into the Dead Sea area to take | honors for the first lowest flight ever, but I know the Graf Zeppelin did | it in 1929, going to about 1000 feet below sea level. It didn't even need a | snorkel! :-) |
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Blanche wrote in
: Those of us in the US read them, all of them, cover to cover. Repeatedly. And get tested on them on a recurring, regular basis. You want to ask questions? Fine, but having access to the FARs - which you do -- and reading them -- which you refuse to do -- are the the ground rules for being here. Unfortunately, as long as some keep feeding this troll, he won't have a need to read the FAR's, AIMS or any other reference that's been provided to him. Don't like the rules of the game? Go play another one, somewhere else, with someone else. Stop wasting bandwidth. Manowar, do I agree with this, but some folks really disagree with me when I say they are wasting their time with this dude. But of course, I am being told that I am destroying my "reputation" (whatever that reputation that I so care little about) trying to bring some sanity back to this group. Blanche, been singing your tune for about 3 months now..... Only way to get rid of him is to not answer his questions. Allen |
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Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:05:30 -0600, Doug Spencer
wrote: How about it's congested if you couldn't make an emergency landing without hitting a person, vessel, vehicle, or structure while flying below the minimum required in a congested area? Seems like a reasonable, pragmatic way to think about the subject and probably fairly close to the intent. That's about half of it... but at least as far as ultralights (powered paragliders in this case) are concerned, the FAA interpreted a busy 4 lane highway with clear fields on each side a "congested area" (ultralights have NO minimum altitude, but can't fly over a "congested area" at ANY altitude). I see the interpretation as not only "can you land safely", but also "if anything falls off the machine will it be likely to injure anybody on the ground?" Somebody else mentioned the yellow areas on charts. They represent the lighted portion of cities at night, not specifically congested areas (though most of those areas would doubtless be considered "congested"). -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever notice how fast Windows runs? Neither did I. |
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:58:07 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote: I'm not sure what aircraft was first to fly into the Dead Sea area to take honors for the first lowest flight ever, but I know the Graf Zeppelin did it in 1929, going to about 1000 feet below sea level. It didn't even need a snorkel! :-) There was a guy who flew a hot air balloon in a large, deep cave, could be even deeper... I forget the details though. -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever notice how fast Windows runs? Neither did I. |
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Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 06:10:41 +0000, Chris Wells
wrote: I may have all of you beat...I've flown, repeatedly, in fog with 50' of visibility, about 10' above the trees and 5' or less above the ground. No IFR ticket, either. Ain't ultralights great? -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. - Edward Abbey |
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Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
In rec.aviation.student Dana M. Hague
d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net wrote: That's about half of it... but at least as far as ultralights (powered paragliders in this case) are concerned, the FAA interpreted a busy 4 lane highway with clear fields on each side a "congested area" (ultralights have NO minimum altitude, but can't fly over a "congested area" at ANY altitude). Are you even allowed to *cross* the highway? If not, that could put a serious crimp in your travel plans, depending on where you're flying. I see the interpretation as not only "can you land safely", but also "if anything falls off the machine will it be likely to injure anybody on the ground?" Not to mention if the machine iself falls from the sky. .... Alan -- Alan Gerber PP-ASEL gerber AT panix DOT com |
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Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
"Duncan (NZ)" wrote in message . nz... In article , says... On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:08:40 +1300, Duncan (NZ) wrote: In article , says... What regulations determine the absolute lowest altitude you can fly above the ground in the U.S.? I understand that the area just above the ground is usually Class G outside airports, and it only goes up to 700 or 1200 feet most of the time ... which implies that you can actually fly at 500 feet AGL if you want. But is there some other regulation that prohibits aircraft from flying this low, in general or in certain conditions/areas? Well... in New Zealand it's 500' - unless you're in an approved low level (training) area, in which case it's as low a your intructor dares. Over populated areas it's 1,000' All AGL. So the instructor who took me down to 100ft over 70? mile beach, whilst on vacation was just having fun?!!!!! - did you see your instructor switch the transponder to standby? My instructor told me I should be careful and never fly low enough to let anyone read the tail number of the plane... -- Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultants |
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Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:59:28 GMT, A Lieberma
wrote: Blanche, been singing your tune for about 3 months now..... Only way to get rid of him is to not answer his questions. Allen Briefly... Is there a particular reason why r.a.s and r.a.p are not moderated? (The long version...) It is surprising that headers appearing least deserving of attention will load with so many replies. Maybe we collect our share of bowel restrants during the day, then look to release them in some convenient out-house; which is our own. (Or yours, as the case may be. I am not a pilot, yet.) The option to keep the toilet lid closed is available to those having more useful gifts to, and expectations from, their neighbors. But there's a noisy party next door, in another header; where errors and other personal matters may be thought easily forgotten, and those of others cussed out angrily. That flatulent noise cannot be completely avoided throughout. The distraction is substantial. Rec.aviation.student/piloting are news groups intended for a disciplined environment. (So are others in the usenet; or were.) Pilots enter therein without complaint, and with relief, since discipline actually does allow for entertainment, (and something even a little deeper). And their mixing in appropriate measures, with the effort to make that discernment, can be a filling experience. Then there are the party 'raiders'. (Couldn't recall the usual word, and the dictionary didn't help; except for 'party poopers'.) Their want (for all we can figure), is to destroy an ordered pleasure, its success. Why? Envy of 'big-shots' (who occasionally are immature themselves), or to put people in their place, because no one should, in their fantasy, be better than ony one else -- for reasons of theft, or just plain destruction, or just plain ego. It is their power-play where they can win in unprotected places, where complaints are futile and dissed as whining. Then it is an unfortunate union, by rape, in pain. By a few acting as if on behalf of the whole, their half of the whole; as if owed brotherhood, or a command status. All in the name of 'freedom'. No civilized effort towards some goal, as glory, can exist without protection at some level (as opposed to unguarded 'freedom'). Otherwise, eventually it will be defiled; destroyed. Because of the state of the usenet, and the universal curiosity about aviation, I can't see how useful discussions can be had without locking out disturbances. So, does anyone have time to moderate these groups? Or would that make them too restrained? How about lightly moderated, where specific abusers could be blocked & posts deleted. Or is that somehow asking for trouble? A forum on the internet, anyone? It isn't my business to suggest it, but will anyway. Some regulars prefer tighter control than others. And the disagreement itself becomes a distraction. There are always distractions, but what's going on now is ridiculous. -- Mike |
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Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
Recently, Michael Rhodes posted:
Some regulars prefer tighter control than others. And the disagreement itself becomes a distraction. There are always distractions, but what's going on now is ridiculous. Not to worry, this, too, will pass. Neil |
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Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
He said feet. Meters are not used in European aviation any more, except
in former Soviet Union countries and partially in gliders. Yes, I know he said feet; the numbers were so low I thought that might have been an error. That meters aren't used any more is a surprise to me - the world is regressing. Jose -- He who laughs, lasts. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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