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Russia Sailplanes website
I am in the market for a sailplane and have been looking at
PW 5s and Russia AC 4s. I noticed the Russia Sailplanes site has been inaccessable for a few weeks. Anyone know why? |
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I was told they have given up offering the Russia Gliders....
I don't know if anyone will pick this up again. tim "Willie" wrote in message m... I am in the market for a sailplane and have been looking at PW 5s and Russia AC 4s. I noticed the Russia Sailplanes site has been inaccessable for a few weeks. Anyone know why? |
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Tim Mara wrote:
I was told they have given up offering the Russia Gliders.... I don't know if anyone will pick this up again. tim "Willie" wrote in message m... I am in the market for a sailplane and have been looking at PW 5s and Russia AC 4s. I noticed the Russia Sailplanes site has been inaccessable for a few weeks. Anyone know why? Go to www.motorglider.org, and use the links section to join the Russia AC4/5 newsgroup. You can ask questions there, but basically Tim is right about the website. The compamy web site is available, but you'll need to use a translation tool (Google, Alta Vista) to read it in "English", since it is in Russian. -- ----- change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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sounds like a PW-5 is a better offer now..
BT "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ... Tim Mara wrote: I was told they have given up offering the Russia Gliders.... I don't know if anyone will pick this up again. tim "Willie" wrote in message m... I am in the market for a sailplane and have been looking at PW 5s and Russia AC 4s. I noticed the Russia Sailplanes site has been inaccessable for a few weeks. Anyone know why? Go to www.motorglider.org, and use the links section to join the Russia AC4/5 newsgroup. You can ask questions there, but basically Tim is right about the website. The compamy web site is available, but you'll need to use a translation tool (Google, Alta Vista) to read it in "English", since it is in Russian. -- ----- change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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Rumor is there will be a new US distributor announced this year. If
you look at the Aviastroitel website (in Russian), you see many new models being developed. Since the US was the largest market, clearly these new models will likely be made available in the US. Which indicates the rumors of the new US distributor might actually come true. Having flown both the PW5 and the Russia, I would say the PW5 is a bit fancier in the cockpit (small stick like the expensive birds, for example), but that is all. The Russia has much better control harmony and seems a lot tougher overall. The rudder coordination take a while to figure out in the PW5. Assembly of the Russia is way better (really is a 10 minute, one person job), and glide performance with the retract gear is much better than the fixed gear PW5. The only negative with the Russia is it is a little pitch sensitive, requiring re-adjusting attitude with spoiler changes (that is, more spoilers cause the plane to slow down). Takes a bit of practice to smooth out your landing if you transition directly from a more stable bird like the 2-33. The Russia does have a very bad tailwheel that just does not hold air. Expect to spend around $130 to replace the Russian tailwheel with a Tost tailwheel. Some owners report leaky mainwheels, but nothing beyond having to add air every other month. Cheap fixes ($8) involving Slime are available for the mainwheel. Availability of used aircraft for sale seems a good indicator of how well owners like living with a particular airplane. While you can find a number of the self-launch AC5M Russians for sale (like due to the 400-450 fpm climb rate from the 28 hp engine....I think this might have disappointed a few owners), not many of the glider AC4 are for sale. Seems like a satisfied group. John |
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Here is more proof the Russia is better than the PW5, at least in the
USA. There were 81 Russian gliders imported to America, 26 motorgliders imported, and 3 kits built. This according to the yahoo AC4 group. If you search the FAA aircraft registry on the Internet, you will find a smaller number of the "other" world class gliders registered in the USA. Specifically, the FAA lists the number of PW-5 aircraft registered as 65; and the number of L-33 Solo aircraft registered as 55. Based on these numbers, the USA market place clearly prefers the Russia to the PW5. I assume one reason the Russia is a better choice then the PW5 is the design has evolved from tail dragger, to nose wheel, to retract gear, to motor glider, to now apparently touring glider, and soon-to-be longer-span/winglet/flapped glider. The PW5 is "stuck" as a design and not allowed to evolve. So really, can you compare a new Russia with a decade-old design such as the PW5? I once watched a retract gear C model Russia literally run away from a PW5 between thermals...almost like the PW5 was going backwards. Pull the gear up and add the wing root fairings, and the Russia is 35:1. Nothing the poor 30:1 PW5 can do about that. |
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John wrote:
The only negative with the Russia is it is a little pitch sensitive, requiring re-adjusting attitude with spoiler changes (that is, more spoilers cause the plane to slow down). Takes a bit of practice to smooth out your landing if you transition directly from a more stable bird like the 2-33. All the gliders I've flown have required a pitch-down when the spoilers were opened, including my ASH 26 E, ASW 20 C, Libelle 301, Blanik, and more. The Russia does have a very bad tailwheel that just does not hold air. Expect to spend around $130 to replace the Russian tailwheel with a Tost tailwheel. Some owners report leaky mainwheels, but nothing beyond having to add air every other month. Cheap fixes ($8) involving Slime are available for the mainwheel. All tires lose pressure, smaller tires lose pressure more quickly. The 500 x 5 Goodyear tire on the mainwheel of my ASH 26 E required air every month, even with it's inner tube. It's normal, not a "Russia" thing. -- ----- change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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it always was ;-)
Ernie (c'mon - it is still winter, there is enough time for some serious PW5 discussion ;-) BTIZ wrote: sounds like a PW-5 is a better offer now.. BT "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ... Tim Mara wrote: I was told they have given up offering the Russia Gliders.... I don't know if anyone will pick this up again. tim "Willie" wrote in message .com... I am in the market for a sailplane and have been looking at PW 5s and Russia AC 4s. I noticed the Russia Sailplanes site has been inaccessable for a few weeks. Anyone know why? Go to www.motorglider.org, and use the links section to join the Russia AC4/5 newsgroup. You can ask questions there, but basically Tim is right about the website. The compamy web site is available, but you'll need to use a translation tool (Google, Alta Vista) to read it in "English", since it is in Russian. -- ----- change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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