Why Pilots of America rocks...

In article , "Morgans" wrote:

well, it seems Martin's point is that plugging POA as an alternative
to rec.aviation.* contributes to the exodus of group contributers,
and that actually hurts the group.

How can it possibly hurt this group any further?

You are correct that rec.aviation.piloting has been damaged by vandals with
the maturity of a 10 year old. And those pilots are an embarrassment.

I loath the setup of POA, and find little to no enjoyment trying to read it.

Yep, the user interface stinks.


That being said, all one can hope to do is to keep good people in touch with
each other, and POA is all that is left.

All one can hope at this point is that this group finish its flaming death
gasps, and later that it can possibly be reborn from the ashes.

That's the hope. However, I suspect that the trolls and vandals won't
grow up.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Anthony, the best attribute of POA is that you're not there, since it is a
forum for pilots. You can rationalize your non-participation all you want,
but the fact is that you simply don't have anything to contribute.

If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no real
discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real issues of
real interest, the intolerant among the participants will complain of
being
offended and will rapidly resort to personal attacks.

Disagree 100%. There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to
personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any
conversation, ever.

Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began, personal
attacks here were exceedingly rare. Even when they occurred, they were mild
by comparison to this group's every-day persona now, and (more importantly)
the regular posters in the group would quickly show their disdain for that
sort of behavior.

This kept trolls in check, even when potentially controversial off-topic
subjects were discussed. Now, even benign, on-topic subjects can't be
discussed here without the trolls rolling in the mud.

Discussions at P of A can be VERY boisterous, with all opinions voiced.
There is NO censorship until troll-ish behavior and personal attacks become
the focus of the discussion -- at which point it's GONE. The moderators are
(IMHO) extremely patient, but when the line is crossed there is no doubt
that the offenders will be swiftly dealt with. It's....refreshing.

P of A may not be perfect, but it's about pilots discussing flying. If
that's what you're looking for, check it out.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

The interface appears tedious, looks silly with those identity logos on
the left side, and simply does not work as well as an NNTP server.
Frankly, P.O.A is just not worth the effort to search for content, much
less sign up and contribute, and if it was the only on-line choice; I
would simply go off-line.

The interface is awkward to learn -- but that's only because it has many
powerful shortcuts built in. Once you learn some of the shortcuts, it makes
finding (for example) only new posts since your last visit a snap.

I kinda like the identity logos. We used to have a "Rogues Gallery" of
photos of regular posters here (in fact, it's still up. See it he
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm ) that served something of
the same function.

Wow, I just spent a couple of minutes exploring the old gallery. Imagine,
there once was a time when ALL those pilots felt so connected to this group
that they wanted their picture available for all of us to view. One by
one, the trolls have driven most of them away.

Hard to believe, or remember....

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

What would you say if the bellboy from a hotel in your town shows up in
your lobby saying to your guests that they should come over to his place
(whatever the reason might be)?

You just did *exactly* the same here on usenet.

What would you say if a fireman showed up in Jay's lobby saying his
hotel's
roof is on fire and his guests should evacuate to another hotel?

Exactly.

I would LOVE to come here some morning and find that the trolls were gone,
and all the old regulars were coming back, one by one. In fact, the only
reason I'm still here at all is because I keep hoping to see some sign of
this happening.

Sadly, there is no indication that this will ever occur. If anything, the
number of trolls and their sock-puppets has continued to grow, and they now
virtually own the group. All you have to do is check out the recent thread
on "Father/son flying" -- a terrific topic -- to see what the trolls do with
even such an innocent, heart-warming subject.

The best we can hope for is that any student pilot who may stumble into this
group just as quickly moves on, lest they get the false impression that
aviation is chock-full of nuts.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:isSvk.327629$yE1.312486@attbi_s21:

The interface appears tedious, looks silly with those identity logos
on the left side, and simply does not work as well as an NNTP server.
Frankly, P.O.A is just not worth the effort to search for content,
much less sign up and contribute, and if it was the only on-line
choice; I would simply go off-line.

The interface is awkward to learn -- but that's only because it has
many powerful shortcuts built in. Once you learn some of the
shortcuts, it makes finding (for example) only new posts since your
last visit a snap.

I kinda like the identity logos. We used to have a "Rogues Gallery"
of photos of regular posters here (in fact, it's still up. See it
he http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm )


Spamming fjukktard


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:JmSvk.327625$yE1.122780@attbi_s21:

If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no
real discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real
issues of real interest, the intolerant among the participants will
complain of being
offended and will rapidly resort to personal attacks.

Disagree 100%. There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to
personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any
conversation, ever.

Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began,
personal attacks here were exceedingly rare. Even when they occurred,
they were mild by comparison to this group's every-day persona now,
and (more importantly) the regular posters in the group would quickly
show their disdain for that sort of behavior.

This kept trolls in check, even when potentially controversial
off-topic subjects were discussed. Now, even benign, on-topic
subjects can't be discussed here without the trolls rolling in the
mud.

Discussions at P of A can be VERY boisterous, with all opinions
voiced. There is NO censorship until troll-ish behavior and personal
attacks become the focus of the discussion -- at which point it's
GONE. The moderators are (IMHO) extremely patient, but when the line
is crossed there is no doubt that the offenders will be swiftly dealt
with. It's....refreshing.

P of A may not be perfect, but it's about pilots discussing flying.

So what are you doing there, spamtard?


Bertie

Jay Honeck writes:

There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to
personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any
conversation, ever.

Nevertheless, stupid people will routinely resort to personal attacks, often
very early in a conversation. It's extremely predictable and reliable.

Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began, personal
attacks here were exceedingly rare.

They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again in
virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one.

Even when they occurred, they were mild
by comparison to this group's every-day persona now, and (more importantly)
the regular posters in the group would quickly show their disdain for that
sort of behavior.

Some of the worst offenders are regular posters in the group.

Anthony, did you ever stop to think that you and the nature of your posts
might have something to do with the responses they elicit?

Jim Logajan schrieb:
What would you say if a fireman showed up in Jay's lobby saying his hotel's
roof is on fire and his guests should evacuate to another hotel?

it is his job.

And what if pigs had wings?

they'd fly I guess ...

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