Airplanes and Brakes?

On Sep 15, 4:12*pm, tjd wrote:
On Sep 15, 2:44*pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?

Haha - I have to admit that I didn't give it much consideration when I
was a renter. *Coupled with the fact the flight school was near the
approach end of the usual runway I likely abused them to make the
early turnoff.

Funny how buying a plane and having to pay for them yourself changes
your perspective on things - now I try not to use them at all if I can
help it. *Although, I would challenge you to taxi to my hangar without
using brakes - taxiway E at AGC goes down a pretty substantial hill so
I don't see that I have much choice.

Also, once when flying with an instructor and landing somewhere with a
shorter runway, I rolled down to the end with the yoke full back but
still had to brake a bit to make the last turnoff. *The instructor
pointed out it's probably a good idea to find out if your brakes work
sometime before you roll down the embankment at the end... *So now I
make it a point to at least give them a tap while I still have time to
do something about it if they don't work.


That sounds much like the situation here with a downslope of 40' in
5000 and a nasty ravine at the end. I teach my students to check
brakes as they reach the aiming blocks and if the pressure is gone or
going away to make a decision well before they end up going off the
end and saying "Oh Sh*&" Sorry Dudley, I couldn't resistGG

On Sep 15, 4:35*pm, "JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote:
Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:

How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?

* Now that I have to pay for my own brakes, I hardly ever use them. *Back in
my Cessna days, I'd occasionally have to use them to tighten a turn during
taxi (thanks to Cessna's bungee arrangement). *With the Piper's direct
linkage, I almost never use them for taxi. * On landing, traffic permitting,
I just let the plane roll out and slow down on its own. *The only exception
to that would be when landing at short backcountry strips. *Most don't afford
the luxury of a long roll out.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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John
Certainly we use heaving braking from time to time and especially in
the back country strips but even then the gravel doesn't help much? I
think I learned a lot about braking while flying off short strips in
the Amazon as well as in the Idaho Primitive back before it got named
the Frank Church wilderness. Come to think of it, lots of time
operating off 1200' dirt strips while crop dusting and didn't use
brakes that much.
Best Regards
Ol S&B

On Sep 15, 8:25*pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2008-09-15 11:44:12 -0700, "Ol Shy & Bashful" said:

I'm deligthted to see I'm managing to get some arguments and
discussion going. And if you notice, No Profanity?
I challenge my students to learn to taxi without brakes. and I come
down hard if they beat up the airplane with unecessary braking instead
of staying ahead of the airplane. (sometimes even with profanity! Can
you imagine that?)
How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?
Ol S&B

Naw. In fact, I challenge my students not to use brakes even when they
are flying! :-)

(Sorry, OSB. Couldn't help it.)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

WHATT????No Brakes while flying? That is terrible. Well, I guess that
prevents skids ......ggg

"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques
wrote:

The way I would present this
issue is to simply say that brakes are put on the airplane to hold it
for the run up check and for use ONLY when your pre-planned use of
aerodynamic forces available to you, or your steering capabilities
won't make the necessary change in direction.
In other words, you shouldn't be using them on takeoff, landing, and
even while taxiing if your planning is adequate for the situation.
I like the general rule that dictates that brakes on an airplane
should be used as little as possible.

Dudley Henriques

you know that I posted a comment along this exact line of thought
about a month ago I got bagged by nearly everyone for over a week.
I'm still correct in what I wrote and you evidently are in agreement.

:-)
Stealth Pilot

No, it just mean you are both wrong.

On Sep 16, 8:13*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Sep 15, 4:12*pm, tjd wrote:



On Sep 15, 2:44*pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?

Haha - I have to admit that I didn't give it much consideration when I
was a renter. *Coupled with the fact the flight school was near the
approach end of the usual runway I likely abused them to make the
early turnoff.

Funny how buying a plane and having to pay for them yourself changes
your perspective on things - now I try not to use them at all if I can
help it. *Although, I would challenge you to taxi to my hangar without
using brakes - taxiway E at AGC goes down a pretty substantial hill so
I don't see that I have much choice.

Also, once when flying with an instructor and landing somewhere with a
shorter runway, I rolled down to the end with the yoke full back but
still had to brake a bit to make the last turnoff. *The instructor
pointed out it's probably a good idea to find out if your brakes work
sometime before you roll down the embankment at the end... *So now I
make it a point to at least give them a tap while I still have time to
do something about it if they don't work.

That sounds much like the situation here with a downslope of 40' in
5000 and a nasty ravine at the end. I teach my students to check
brakes as they reach the aiming blocks and if the pressure is gone or
going away to make a decision well before they end up going off the
end and saying "Oh Sh*&" Sorry Dudley, I couldn't resistGG

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

On Sep 16, 8:38*am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques
wrote:

The way I would present this
issue is to simply say that brakes are put on the airplane to hold it
for the run up check and for use ONLY when your pre-planned use of
aerodynamic forces available to you, or your steering capabilities
won't make the necessary change in direction.
In other words, you shouldn't be using them on takeoff, landing, and
even while taxiing if your planning is adequate for the situation.
I like the general rule that dictates that brakes on an airplane
should be used as little as possible.

Dudley Henriques

you know that I posted a comment along this exact line of thought
about a month ago I got bagged by nearly everyone for over a week.
I'm still correct in what I wrote and you evidently are in agreement.

:-)
Stealth Pilot

No, it just mean you are both wrong.

Don't think so.

On Sep 16, 9:59*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Sep 16, 8:38*am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:



"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques
wrote:

The way I would present this
issue is to simply say that brakes are put on the airplane to hold it
for the run up check and for use ONLY when your pre-planned use of
aerodynamic forces available to you, or your steering capabilities
won't make the necessary change in direction.
In other words, you shouldn't be using them on takeoff, landing, and
even while taxiing if your planning is adequate for the situation.
I like the general rule that dictates that brakes on an airplane
should be used as little as possible.

Dudley Henriques

you know that I posted a comment along this exact line of thought
about a month ago I got bagged by nearly everyone for over a week.
I'm still correct in what I wrote and you evidently are in agreement.

:-)
Stealth Pilot

No, it just mean you are both wrong.

Don't think so.

Minimal use of brakes on both cars and airplanes is evidence the
operator is planning well ahead of the vehicle. It provides a smoother
ride, less wear and tear, and better economy. Sure there are
circumstances where braking is needed,, but many can be anticipated.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 8:38 am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques
wrote:

The way I would present this
issue is to simply say that brakes are put on the airplane to hold it
for the run up check and for use ONLY when your pre-planned use of
aerodynamic forces available to you, or your steering capabilities
won't make the necessary change in direction.
In other words, you shouldn't be using them on takeoff, landing, and
even while taxiing if your planning is adequate for the situation.
I like the general rule that dictates that brakes on an airplane
should be used as little as possible.

Dudley Henriques

you know that I posted a comment along this exact line of thought
about a month ago I got bagged by nearly everyone for over a week.
I'm still correct in what I wrote and you evidently are in agreement.

:-)
Stealth Pilot

No, it just mean you are both wrong.

Don't think so.

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Sure, jump on the band wagon Dumley.

So brakes were no put on aircraft to stop them. You're both full of it.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:53aa3f73-4961-4564-8c51-

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

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Nonsense, you're talking out of both sides of you're mouth as usual.

No surprise.

In article , Mick @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
[snip]
Sure, jump on the band wagon Dumley.

So brakes were no put on aircraft to stop them. You're both full of it.

Ah, another troll with no factual evidence, who hides behind anonimity.