Near mishap today

Did a simulated power out emergency today, and
killed the throttle near 4500 ft. Established my
best rate of glide (70mph) and as I found my most
viable field to land in, we were going over the
procedures for such an occasion. Eventually I
reached a grassy field that actually looked
decent, surface and all.

As I set up an attitude and realistic entry we
had really lost altitude, and now, I gave it
full throttle. Sputter, sputter. We were dropping.

My CFI's hands were suddenly moving fast as
a blur. It seemed like a long time, and I just
stayed on my landing course fully prepared to
set it in the field, and then Broommm! the engine
revved up and it was climb baby climb!

Now that's one I'm not gonna forget!

---
Mark

On May 7, 11:41*am, Mark wrote:
Did a simulated power out emergency today, and
killed the throttle near 4500 ft. *Established my
best rate of glide (70mph) and as I found my most
viable field to land in, we were going over the
procedures for such an occasion. Eventually I
reached a grassy field that actually looked
decent, surface and all.

As I set up an attitude and realistic entry we
had really lost altitude, and now, I gave it
full throttle. *Sputter, sputter. We were dropping.

My CFI's hands were suddenly moving fast as
a blur. *It seemed like a long time, and I just
stayed on my landing course fully prepared to
set it in the field, and then Broommm! the engine
revved up and it was climb baby climb!

Now that's one I'm not gonna forget!


Did you forget to clear the engine every 1000'?

Cheers

On May 7, 7:09*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:
On May 7, 11:41*am, Mark wrote:





Did a simulated power out emergency today, and
killed the throttle near 4500 ft. *Established my
best rate of glide (70mph) and as I found my most
viable field to land in, we were going over the
procedures for such an occasion. Eventually I
reached a grassy field that actually looked
decent, surface and all.

As I set up an attitude and realistic entry we
had really lost altitude, and now, I gave it
full throttle. *Sputter, sputter. We were dropping.

My CFI's hands were suddenly moving fast as
a blur. *It seemed like a long time, and I just
stayed on my landing course fully prepared to
set it in the field, and then Broommm! the engine
revved up and it was climb baby climb!

Now that's one I'm not gonna forget!

Did you forget to clear the engine every 1000'?

Cheers- Hide quoted text -

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Had carb heat on, as rpms were below the arc.

But no, I wasn't instructed to input throttle during
the descent. Is that what you mean?

thanks,
Mark

"Mark" wrote in message
...

Had carb heat on, as rpms were below the arc.

But no, I wasn't instructed to input throttle during
the descent. Is that what you mean?


Your CFI should have been doing that. All of mine did, every time. Prevents
such occurrences.

On May 7, 10:06*am, "Æslop" wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message

...

Had carb heat on, as rpms were below the arc.

But no, I wasn't instructed to input throttle during
the descent. Is that what you mean?

Your CFI should have been doing that. All of mine did, every time. Prevents
such occurrences.

I'm speechless.

We have a choice of appx.7 cfi's to choose from at
this academy. I'll try another. If the head instructor
knew, this one would be fired.

In hindsight, the gravity of what happened yesterday is
serious. I barely had time to pull out. On the way back
up I was compelled to keep scanning that field. It looked
possible but there was something barely visible running
across it. Now I'm thinking it was a ditch.

---
Mark

On May 7, 11:41*am, Mark wrote:
On May 7, 10:06*am, "Æslop" wrote:

"Mark" wrote in message

...

Had carb heat on, as rpms were below the arc.

But no, I wasn't instructed to input throttle during
the descent. Is that what you mean?

Your CFI should have been doing that. All of mine did, every time. Prevents
such occurrences.

I'm speechless.

We have a choice of appx.7 cfi's to choose from at
this academy. *I'll try another. If the head instructor
knew, this one would be fired.

In hindsight, the gravity of what happened yesterday is
serious. I barely had time to pull out. On the way back
up I was compelled to keep scanning that field. It looked
possible but there was something barely visible running
across it. Now I'm thinking it was a ditch.

It would be useful to simply ask your CFI what happened. "Hands
flying all over" doesn't cut it, there are only a few things to do.
My guess would have been carb ice: If you were coming down from 4500
to say 1000 at 500 fpm that would be 6 to 8 minutes of throttle closed
gliding. If the RH was high I am not at all sure I'd expect carb heat
to keep ahead of the icing for that length of time, but others more
expert with those airplanes may have a different opinion.

My Mooney has an injected engine, but when coming down from altitude
it is very rarely with a closed throttle, and cowl flaps are in play
too, engines are to be babied and thermal shock is a bad thing. For
that matter, the time the throttle is moved the fastest, and even then
it's not very fast, is when I decide to go around.

Here's a question for the aviators among us. How long do you take to
go from idle to take-off power when you're "position and hold" to
"cleared for immediate"? As I sit here and think about it, I'm
guessing it takes me a slow count to 5 to get to full throttle, and
that is assuming RPMs follow throttle position pretty closely.
..

..

On May 7, 12:00*pm, a wrote:

Here's a question for the aviators among us. How long do you take to
go from idle to take-off power when you're "position and hold" to
"cleared for immediate"? As I sit here and think about it, I'm
guessing it takes me a slow count to 5 to get to full throttle, and
that is assuming RPMs follow throttle position pretty closely.

Pretty much same here, on the ground, I just don't see the need
jamming the throttle forward. Steady forward pressure is all I do and
it's about 5 seconds when I am at full throttle.

I accelerate the same whether it's position to hold or cleared for
immediate. Only difference is I just get off the brakes faster for
cleared for immediate.

On Fri, 7 May 2010 08:41:40 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

On May 7, 10:06*am, "Æslop" wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message

...

Had carb heat on, as rpms were below the arc.

But no, I wasn't instructed to input throttle during
the descent. Is that what you mean?

Your CFI should have been doing that. All of mine did, every time. Prevents
such occurrences.

I'm speechless.

And clueless, you haven't the first idea how to choose a competent
CFI, Mark(ie). /lol/
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On Fri, 7 May 2010 10:00:10 -0700 (PDT), a wrote:

On May 7, 11:41*am, Mark wrote:
On May 7, 10:06*am, "Æslop" wrote:

"Mark" wrote in message

...

Had carb heat on, as rpms were below the arc.

But no, I wasn't instructed to input throttle during
the descent. Is that what you mean?

Your CFI should have been doing that. All of mine did, every time. Prevents
such occurrences.

I'm speechless.

We have a choice of appx.7 cfi's to choose from at
this academy. *I'll try another. If the head instructor
knew, this one would be fired.

In hindsight, the gravity of what happened yesterday is
serious. I barely had time to pull out. On the way back
up I was compelled to keep scanning that field. It looked
possible but there was something barely visible running
across it. Now I'm thinking it was a ditch.

It would be useful to simply ask your CFI what happened. "Hands
flying all over" doesn't cut it, there are only a few things to do.
My guess would have been carb ice: If you were coming down from 4500
to say 1000 at 500 fpm that would be 6 to 8 minutes of throttle closed
gliding. If the RH was high I am not at all sure I'd expect carb heat
to keep ahead of the icing for that length of time, but others more
expert with those airplanes may have a different opinion.

It would be useful to know what plane or simulator he was in but the
assclown didn't think that was pertinent info.

*lol*
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On Fri, 7 May 2010 10:00:10 -0700 (PDT), a wrote:

Here's a question for the aviators among us. How long do you take to
go from idle to take-off power when you're "position and hold" to
"cleared for immediate"? As I sit here and think about it, I'm
guessing it takes me a slow count to 5 to get to full throttle, and
that is assuming RPMs follow throttle position pretty closely.

In my Velocity, at least that, prolly quicker. In my 42A, a little
longer as it usually is my preference on complex twins.
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