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On May 24, 8:44*am, "birdog" wrote:
There's a difference between simulate and stimulate: I choose M20J over MSFS for stimulation of the aviation variety. Liked your post. I'm installing IP Trainer to practice approaches. Does anybody have any experience with it? |
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On May 23, 5:45*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
(It never helped our cause, while I was a kid, that what few plastic model planes my brothers and I did get and build that they'd eventually find a lit cherry bomb in or attached to them as their last rites.) When I was a kid there was a paved RC plane facility near my house and people came from miles around. All summer long we'd hear the buzzing of those little motors. Some of my 12 yr. old friends took to shooting B-B guns at them from afar. Finally my friend Mike crawled out into the tall grass and laid in wait for the perfect shot with his new pellet gun. He shot one down, grabbed it and ran like hell. Funny thing, Mike turned out to be an overachiever. Guess we saw that coming. I still remember that red balsa wood plane. --- Mark |
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Alpha Propellerhead wrote:
I'm installing IP Trainer to practice approaches. Does anybody have any experience with it? Yup. Bought it and OnTop while I was doing my instrument training. OnTop was bad, but IP Trainer was worse. The thing is set up with a series of 'lessons' and you had to complete one before you could move on to the next. I find flight simulators twitchy compared to real planes and I reached a point where I found IP Trainer impossible to work with. I think it was when the lesson was to do with timed turns and you had to roll out on the desired course within a few degrees. The hysteresis inherent in consumer grade computer flight controls just made it impossible. That was a few years ago, so it might have changed, but I wouldn't bet on it. -- Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Boise, ID |
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"birdog" wrote in message ... "Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "birdog" wrote: -----------------much snipped--------------- Did I say the whole group? Did I say all? You wrote "I think they all wanted to be pilots," and while the context is arguably ambiguous about who you meant to include in the "all" group, it looked to me like you were dismissive of all. But then I read your other post (which I didn't see till after I'd sent mine) that indicated you had considerable respect for the skills needed for their hobby. Why are you being defensive? I want to make sure no one disrepects me should I someday decide to wear a kilt while flying an RC model of a DC-3 with Scottish Airline markings. ;-) However, I only ever tried - and failed - to fly an RC model airplane once about 40 years ago. I'm lucky to get an HO scale model train around a closed track without derailing it. (It never helped our cause, while I was a kid, that what few plastic model planes my brothers and I did get and build that they'd eventually find a lit cherry bomb in or attached to them as their last rites.) I just thought your post, had it appeared in an RC group, was uncannily like the kind of post that, ahem, "endeared" Mxsmanic to so many people on this group. Well, it does require the right kind of personality types on both sides for an unending ping-pong "discussion." While I may be an obnoxious *******, You have many peers in this newsgroup! :-) Still, no properly obnoxious ******* admits to being one, so if you aren't careful you'll be forced to hand in your OB card. You're clearly a nice guy, but I'm willing to swear on your behalf, should the case come up, that you were and are an OB. I did make a few friends at the time, some with whom I still communicate. I'll pretend you never wrote that, considering your OB credentials are at stake. :-) Thank you for your endorcement my OB status. Everyone needs all the support they can get. Jim - when I first came on this NG not long ago, there seemed to be very little on here pertaining to pilotage, etc. A couple of posts I put on here generated comments, although the last one degenerated into a spitting contest with MX - i.e. right back to my (personal) objection to start with. My original post on this thread was intended as a feeble attempt to maybe generate a discussion. It was in no way intended to denigrate anyone or their hobby. When I said that everyone in the RC club probably had a yen to fly the real thing, those folks obviously have an intense interest in aviation - which was the reason I got involved in the first place. I guess my point was that there is no acceptable - for me at least - substitute for the real thing. Amazingly, when I look back on years of flying, there really isn't many incidents in my personal experience that would be of interest to other pilots. Sure, I had a lot of white-knuckle experiences, as any pilot has. I can't recall any instance where I felt that I was in mortal danger. Can I get some help here? Let's talk PILOTAGE! Not to pick excessively, but just enough to maintain my own OB status: PILOTAGE normally refers to a method of visual navigation by means of landmarks--frequently with additional reference to maps or charts and a compass. You might possibly have meant PILOTING. Peter ;-) |
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"Peter Dohm" wrote in message ... "birdog" wrote in message ... "Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "birdog" wrote: -----------------much snipped--------------- Did I say the whole group? Did I say all? You wrote "I think they all wanted to be pilots," and while the context is arguably ambiguous about who you meant to include in the "all" group, it looked to me like you were dismissive of all. But then I read your other post (which I didn't see till after I'd sent mine) that indicated you had considerable respect for the skills needed for their hobby. Why are you being defensive? I want to make sure no one disrepects me should I someday decide to wear a kilt while flying an RC model of a DC-3 with Scottish Airline markings. ;-) However, I only ever tried - and failed - to fly an RC model airplane once about 40 years ago. I'm lucky to get an HO scale model train around a closed track without derailing it. (It never helped our cause, while I was a kid, that what few plastic model planes my brothers and I did get and build that they'd eventually find a lit cherry bomb in or attached to them as their last rites.) I just thought your post, had it appeared in an RC group, was uncannily like the kind of post that, ahem, "endeared" Mxsmanic to so many people on this group. Well, it does require the right kind of personality types on both sides for an unending ping-pong "discussion." While I may be an obnoxious *******, You have many peers in this newsgroup! :-) Still, no properly obnoxious ******* admits to being one, so if you aren't careful you'll be forced to hand in your OB card. You're clearly a nice guy, but I'm willing to swear on your behalf, should the case come up, that you were and are an OB. I did make a few friends at the time, some with whom I still communicate. I'll pretend you never wrote that, considering your OB credentials are at stake. :-) Thank you for your endorcement my OB status. Everyone needs all the support they can get. Jim - when I first came on this NG not long ago, there seemed to be very little on here pertaining to pilotage, etc. A couple of posts I put on here generated comments, although the last one degenerated into a spitting contest with MX - i.e. right back to my (personal) objection to start with. My original post on this thread was intended as a feeble attempt to maybe generate a discussion. It was in no way intended to denigrate anyone or their hobby. When I said that everyone in the RC club probably had a yen to fly the real thing, those folks obviously have an intense interest in aviation - which was the reason I got involved in the first place. I guess my point was that there is no acceptable - for me at least - substitute for the real thing. Amazingly, when I look back on years of flying, there really isn't many incidents in my personal experience that would be of interest to other pilots. Sure, I had a lot of white-knuckle experiences, as any pilot has. I can't recall any instance where I felt that I was in mortal danger. Can I get some help here? Let's talk PILOTAGE! Not to pick excessively, but just enough to maintain my own OB status: PILOTAGE normally refers to a method of visual navigation by means of landmarks--frequently with additional reference to maps or charts and a compass. You might possibly have meant PILOTING. Peter ;-) I stand corrected. However, I don't think anyone misunderstood what I was getting at. |
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birdog writes:
I stand corrected. However, I don't think anyone misunderstood what I was getting at. Maybe someone should now spend the next 200 posts telling you how wrong and unqualified you are. |
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Frank Stutzman writes:
The hysteresis inherent in consumer grade computer flight controls just made it impossible. There isn't any hysteresis in PC flight controls, although simulation software can certainly simulate this. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Frank Stutzman writes: The hysteresis inherent in consumer grade computer flight controls just made it impossible. There isn't any hysteresis in PC flight controls, although simulation software can certainly simulate this. Delusional nonsense. All but the very top of the line, and really expensive, PC flight controls have hysteresis. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:45:41 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
"birdog" wrote: "Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "birdog" wrote: As I mentioned before, after I lost my medical, I tried to stay close to aviation (to no avail) by trying radio control and simulation. During my brief sojurn in radio control, I joined a "flying" club that was quite active. But more than a few radiologists, when they found out that I was a licensed pilot, kinda sulled up - not actually defensive - just avoided me as much as possible. I think they all wanted to be pilots, but for some reason - finances (althought some of those models were more expensive than some of our early planes), the wife, inertia, etc. I think the final straw for me when I saw a picture in one of their magazines showing a modeler with helmet, goggles and scarf, landing a model biplane. Interesting - I'd be curious to know what you think would transpire if you tried posting the above paragraph to rec.models.rc.air. It appears you formed a sweeping generalization of a whole class of people based on a few subjective conclusions on your part. Any reason why you ruled out the possibility that they avoided you was because you might have been exhibiting a haughty or condescending attitude? In other words, if one person avoids you, lacking anything other than speculation, it is equal probability the fault lies with them or you. But when a whole group of people avoids you, what do you think the probability is that a group having only one thing in common would all be at fault for that behavior, but not you? Did I say the whole group? Did I say all? You wrote "I think they all wanted to be pilots," and while the context is arguably ambiguous about who you meant to include in the "all" group, it looked to me like you were dismissive of all. But then I read your other post (which I didn't see till after I'd sent mine) that indicated you had considerable respect for the skills needed for their hobby. Why are you being defensive? I want to make sure no one disrepects me should I someday decide to wear a kilt while flying an RC model of a DC-3 with Scottish Airline markings. ;-) However, I only ever tried - and failed - to fly an RC model airplane once about 40 years ago. I'm lucky to get an HO scale model train around a closed track without derailing it. (It never helped our cause, while I was a kid, that what few plastic model planes my brothers and I did get and build that they'd eventually find a lit cherry bomb in or attached to them as their last rites.) I just thought your post, had it appeared in an RC group, was uncannily like the kind of post that, ahem, "endeared" Mxsmanic to so many people on this group. Well, it does require the right kind of personality types on both sides for an unending ping-pong "discussion." While I may be an obnoxious *******, You have many peers in this newsgroup! :-) Still, no properly obnoxious ******* admits to being one, so if you aren't careful you'll be forced to hand in your OB card. You're clearly a nice guy, but I'm willing to swear on your behalf, should the case come up, that you were and are an OB. I did make a few friends at the time, some with whom I still communicate. I'll pretend you never wrote that, considering your OB credentials are at stake. :-) When I was a kid there was a paved RC plane facility near my house and people came from yards around. All summer long we'd hear the buzzing of those little motors. One of my 12 yr. old friends, I only had one for about fifteen minutes, took to shooting B-B guns at them from afar. Finally my friend Mike crawled out into the tall grass and laid in wait for the perfect shot with his new pellet gun. I was thrilled! Mike likes me!! He really does!!!! He shot one down, grabbed it and ran like hell. Funny thing, Mike turned out to be an pedophile. Guess we saw that coming. I still remember that red balsa wood plane. And sniffing the glue. --- Mark |
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