757 avionics

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On 3 Okt, 17:46, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

A better question is...

Why should anyone answer the questions of a troll who asks the same
questions using different sock puppets?

Ahem... by no means the same question, and I can assure you I'm not
one of Ducky's sockpuppets. He looked up a wiki article on the 757
FMCS and decided it meant that the 757 was FBW.

Both of you asked the same question no less than 2 hours apart. Are you a
liar or just to dumb to read his post?

Either you're a sockpuppet or you're his designated ****** for the day. I'm
not sure which is worse really.

On 3 Okt, 18:32, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 17:46, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
"FriarTuck" wrote in message

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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

A better question is...

Why should anyone answer the questions of a troll who asks the same
questions using different sock puppets?

Ahem... by no means the same question, and I can assure you I'm not
one of Ducky's sockpuppets. He looked up a wiki article on the 757
FMCS and decided it meant that the 757 was FBW.

And you looked up a wiki article on "graveyard turns" and stuck your head
up your ass for all time.

Bertie

Quite possibly. But it still strikes me as unlikely that one coudl get
into a situation whereby one was convinced one was in level flight
whilst in a turn if they could see the horizon..

On 3 Okt, 18:39, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 17:46, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
"FriarTuck" wrote in message

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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

A better question is...

Why should anyone answer the questions of a troll who asks the same
questions using different sock puppets?

Ahem... by no means the same question, and I can assure you I'm not
one of Ducky's sockpuppets. He looked up a wiki article on the 757
FMCS and decided it meant that the 757 was FBW.

Both of you asked the same question no less than 2 hours apart.

I was first! Nyah!

*Are you a liar or just to dumb to read his post?

See above...


Either you're a sockpuppet or you're his designated ****** for the day. *I'm
not sure which is worse really.

I'm MY designated ****** for today, thank you veh much.

On 3 Okt, 18:13, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
FriarTuck wrote :

some questions if anyone knows the answers...

is 757 fly by wire or fly by cable?

Neither



The FMCS has full flight and landing capability, is it a separate
control system?

It can autland but it's seperate from the flight controls. You can
disengage it anytime you like.
It fails passive, which means you can manually oer-ride any time you
want.



The FANS network, is it capable of directing "goto location/altitude"
and "set airspeed to K" type commands to the plane?

Doesn't have one



Is the yoke and throttle a completely separate control system from the
FMCS control system or are they common?

seperate



is the throttle control in cockpit only routed through FMCS ?

No



I read that the yoke was capable of exerting more power on the
surfaces than the FMCS could, essentially giving yoke priority, is
that correct? *If so can you describe how that works?

The stick will give more authority because the autopiot flies the
airplane in a more limited way than a pilot would. When it intercepts an
altitude, it does so smoothly with a limited G. A pilot can manuever the
airplane as abruptly as he likes, but of course, most do so just as
smoothly as the autopilot does.
Sometimes the autopilot isn't quite so smooth. If it gets "surprised" by
a track interception, for instance, it will be a bit jerky in roll, or
if it gets surprised by a pitch intercept it wasn't expecting and the
autothrottle gets a bit out of step it will pitch a bit harshly. Ridig
as a passenger this sort of thing is often felt in the back and mistaken
for hand flying.

Bertie

Thankyou. Very informative.

At the risk of filling your forum with kookery - Speaking as someone
who seems to have experienced these things, do you think that, once
getting in the general area using the autopilot, Hani Hanjour (or even
Friar Tuck or myself - a low hours, head-up-arse PPL) could have
performed a 360 degree turn, pointed it at the Pentagon, and smacked
into it?

On 3 Okt, 18:31, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 18:09, FriarTuck wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:46:19 +0000, Mike wrote:
"FriarTuck" wrote in message
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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

A better question is...

Why should anyone answer the questions of a troll who asks the same
questions using different sock puppets?

has it been asked and answered before?

The question as to whether the 757 is FBW or not certainly has been...
Why don't you ask them what diameter the turn Hanjour made was? Or try
and explain to them how it would have been impossible for him to have
flown it, even though you don't knwo what the diameter of the turn
was? Or how, if he had flown it, you feel he would have probably
entered a "graveyard turn" despite it being mid-morning on a CAVU
day?

K00k alert!

Bertie

Absolutely...

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On 3 Okt, 18:32, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 17:46, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
"FriarTuck" wrote in message

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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

A better question is...

Why should anyone answer the questions of a troll who asks the
same questions using different sock puppets?

Ahem... by no means the same question, and I can assure you I'm not
one of Ducky's sockpuppets. He looked up a wiki article on the 757
FMCS and decided it meant that the 757 was FBW.

And you looked up a wiki article on "graveyard turns" and stuck your
head up your ass for all time.

Bertie

Quite possibly. But it still strikes me as unlikely that one coudl get
into a situation whereby one was convinced one was in level flight
whilst in a turn if they could see the horizon..

Which demonstrates that you don't know what a graveyard turn is.

Here's a hint, there's no such thing.





Bertie

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On 3 Okt, 18:13, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
FriarTuck wrote

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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

is 757 fly by wire or fly by cable?

Neither



The FMCS has full flight and landing capability, is it a separate
control system?

It can autland but it's seperate from the flight controls. You can
disengage it anytime you like.
It fails passive, which means you can manually oer-ride any time you
want.



The FANS network, is it capable of directing "goto
location/altitude" and "set airspeed to K" type commands to the
plane?

Doesn't have one



Is the yoke and throttle a completely separate control system from
the FMCS control system or are they common?

seperate



is the throttle control in cockpit only routed through FMCS ?

No



I read that the yoke was capable of exerting more power on the
surfaces than the FMCS could, essentially giving yoke priority, is
that correct? *If so can you describe how that works?

The stick will give more authority because the autopiot flies the
airplane in a more limited way than a pilot would. When it intercepts
an altitude, it does so smoothly with a limited G. A pilot can
manuever the airplane as abruptly as he likes, but of course, most do
so just as smoothly as the autopilot does.
Sometimes the autopilot isn't quite so smooth. If it gets "surprised"
by a track interception, for instance, it will be a bit jerky in
roll, or if it gets surprised by a pitch intercept it wasn't
expecting and the autothrottle gets a bit out of step it will pitch a
bit harshly. Ridig as a passenger this sort of thing is often felt in
the back and mistaken for hand flying.

Bertie

Thankyou. Very informative.

At the risk of filling your forum with kookery - Speaking as someone
who seems to have experienced these things, do you think that, once
getting in the general area using the autopilot, Hani Hanjour (or even
Friar Tuck or myself - a low hours, head-up-arse PPL) could have
performed a 360 degree turn, pointed it at the Pentagon, and smacked
into it?



Yep


Bertie

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On 3 Okt, 18:39, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 17:46, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
"FriarTuck" wrote in message

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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

A better question is...

Why should anyone answer the questions of a troll who asks the same
questions using different sock puppets?

Ahem... by no means the same question, and I can assure you I'm not
one of Ducky's sockpuppets. He looked up a wiki article on the 757
FMCS and decided it meant that the 757 was FBW.

Both of you asked the same question no less than 2 hours apart.

I was first! Nyah!

That just makes you the wankee.

On 3 Okt, 20:54, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 18:39, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 17:46, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
"FriarTuck" wrote in message

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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

A better question is...

Why should anyone answer the questions of a troll who asks the same
questions using different sock puppets?

Ahem... by no means the same question, and I can assure you I'm not
one of Ducky's sockpuppets. He looked up a wiki article on the 757
FMCS and decided it meant that the 757 was FBW.

Both of you asked the same question no less than 2 hours apart.

I was first! Nyah!

That just makes you the wankee.

Well, that's to be preferred, surely?

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On 3 Okt, 20:54, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 18:39, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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On 3 Okt, 17:46, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
"FriarTuck" wrote in message

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some questions if anyone knows the answers...

A better question is...

Why should anyone answer the questions of a troll who asks the
same
questions using different sock puppets?

Ahem... by no means the same question, and I can assure you I'm not
one of Ducky's sockpuppets. He looked up a wiki article on the 757
FMCS and decided it meant that the 757 was FBW.

Both of you asked the same question no less than 2 hours apart.

I was first! Nyah!

That just makes you the wankee.

Well, that's to be preferred, surely?

The pitcher and catcher are on the same team, no?