Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

John

How many jet hours do you have?

How much training in ditching do you have?

Have you gone to any Navy school where ditching technique is taught?

Msc., msc., msc.

Did you read my post? I said the gear down was reported by a so called
witness and repeated in the media. I then said if that was a correct
report it was a bad decission.

Since bird did not tuck and dive on touch down I seriously doubt the
gear was down.

If pilot was unable to retract gear after losing both engines then he
had no choice.

Bottom line is that he did a good job with what he had available.

Big John

6 pm news tonight showed bird before ditching and gear was up.

I really didn't expect an old F-4 jock to ditch with the gear down if
he had an option.

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:47:12 +0100, John Smith
wrote:

Tech Support wrote:

Witness also said gear was down. If true, was bad decision.

How many airliners have you successfully ditched? So who are you to
second-guess this astonishingly perfect outcome?

Big John

Way too big.

Yep!

Big John

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:59:10 -0600, "Viperdoc"
wrote:

One of our KC-135's sucked up a seagull- they said it smelled like burnt
fish inside the plane, or so the story goes.

Anthony sure writes like an expert considering that he has zero flying
hours, doesn't he?

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:08:40 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

What types of engine failures are pilots normally exposed to in simulation?

The kind where the engine stops running...

-Dana

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But I don't have an "any key" on my computer!

Just received the following from a long time very experienced pilot
friend of mine.

His comment about this one flight earned him a life time pay is a good
one.

Quote

Great job by the Air Bus driver. As always, the media passed right on
over what he did that marked him as a REAL pilot :-) After he went
post impact and lost both fans, ATC gave him a clear corridor into
Teterboro. He had scant seconds to make the decision and he made the
right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured
the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he
couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for
a lifetime career. The rest was just good flying.
You can always count on the media to miss the main point

Unquote

Big John

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:59:10 -0600, "Viperdoc"
wrote:

One of our KC-135's sucked up a seagull- they said it smelled like burnt
fish inside the plane, or so the story goes.

Anthony sure writes like an expert considering that he has zero flying
hours, doesn't he?

On Jan 15, 5:32*pm, Shirl wrote:
Kingfish wrote:
CNN is reporting all 135 on board got off the plane (and didn't get
wet!) Apparently a flock of geese got in the way soon after takeoff,
and both engines sucked in birds. Damn the luck...

Depends how you choose to view it. I'd say their luck was pretty damn
good!

Once, at general aviation speeds, we saw a flock of what seemed to be
canada geese at constant bearing out our windscreen. Sailers say
"Constant bearing means collision". We saw them with enough seconds in
hand to reduce our rate of climb and got under them.

If one is carefully looking out the window of a jet like this, would
it be likely a flock (as opposed to a single bird) might be seen in
time to modify the climb angle? I'm guessing after rotation the crew's
attention is more inside the cockpit than outside, especially in the
controlled airspace around major airports. It would be an interesting
simulation in include flocks of geese near airports, wouldn't it?

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Guy Elden Jr writes:

I'm absolutely astonished that plane didn't flip when it hit the
water.

Why?


You are a moron



Bertie

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
:


Tech Support wrote in message
...
Witness also said gear was down. If true, was bad decision.

Big John

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I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't
have time or power to lift it.






I'll bet you do!

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Kingfish writes:

Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked
a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't
often fail all on their own.


You're a moron


Bertie

John wrote in
:

On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie

Tech Support wrote in :

Just received the following from a long time very experienced pilot
friend of mine.

His comment about this one flight earned him a life time pay is a good
one.

Quote

Great job by the Air Bus driver. As always, the media passed right on
over what he did that marked him as a REAL pilot :-) After he went
post impact and lost both fans, ATC gave him a clear corridor into
Teterboro. He had scant seconds to make the decision and he made the
right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured
the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he
couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for
a lifetime career. The rest was just good flying.
You can always count on the media to miss the main point



Well, I thnk that decision got made for him! but yeah, it was all just
stick and rudder from that point on and I'm sure the guy would be the first
to say he just did what he had to. It'll be an interesting one to read
about, but it's basically the same scenario as deadsticking any airplane.
I think he'd also be the firts to point out that they were extraordinarily
lucky. none of this Is meant to detract in any way from the guy's
achievement, of course, but the media does talk so much BS with this sort
of thing. ..


Bertie