Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was when
**** started happening?


I believe the mode C showed him maxing out at about 3200 MSL at 3+ minutes
into the flight. That would seem to be right with a 200 knot max glide rate
sink of about 1000 fpm and a 6 to 7 minute take-off to landing time.

Jim

On Jan 17, 2:54*pm, (Jeff none) wrote:
1 of the passengers said something about seeing birds flying by before
the landing.

Although the pilot did an excellent job I wouldn't call it a
"landing", more like a ditching maybe?

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was
when **** started happening?


I believe the mode C showed him maxing out at about 3200 MSL at 3+ minutes
into the flight. That would seem to be right with a 200 knot max glide
rate sink of about 1000 fpm and a 6 to 7 minute take-off to landing time.

Jim


Probably a moot point now anyway, haven't they established he landed gear
up?

They established that two days ago.

Jim

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without accepting it."
--Aristotle






"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in message
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Probably a moot point now anyway, haven't they established he landed gear
up?

On Jan 17, 2:17*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:

I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have
time
or power to lift it.

That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you
have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have
"MX" in their names.

Oh really, and how do you figure that.

From the photo of the plane as it approached the river and the fact
that he was above 3,000 ft, when the birdstrike occured. I know your
aviation knowlege is practically nil, but an airline usually retracts
their gear by then, just so you know.

Any idea what his altitude was when sh** started happening?

About 3,400 ft, according to http://www4.passur.com/lga.html.

Any more stupid questions, MX?

Ricky

Tech Support wrote:
He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured
the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he
couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for
a lifetime career.

Coming up short @ TEB would have been Ug-ly!

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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John wrote in
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!

ROLF!
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ah

ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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John wrote in
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the
Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor
stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine
designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!

ROLF!


Tie me kangaroo down, sport.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354
@newsfe12.iad:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
John wrote in
news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51
@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the
Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor
stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine
designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!

ROLF!


Tie me kangaroo down, sport.

What-ho, Squiffy?
--
ah

"RST Engineering" wrote in
m:

One of the things that helped him make that decision was that he had
hundreds, if not thousands of "dead stick landings" as a flight
instructor, glider.

Jim
CFIG


Well, I wouldn't say there was much of a decision to be made, myself. no
thrust and all that. Glider instructor woudl have helped him control the
airplane OK.
Was chattin with an A320 driver last night and he told me the airplane's
flight controls would have gone into a a law that the crew weren't used to
as a result of the power loss ( unless they hade the APU running which is
not likely) making the handling less than intuitive for him.
Bertie