Airplane prices are ridiculous

Mark wrote:
On Sep 12, 12:43Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 11, 7:28Â*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Mark wrote:
Ok, so where it that light-sport, low-wing, cross
country plane produced after 1990 for 25K? Â*I'll
take two.

$20k ready-to-fly ultralight or light-sport low-wing:http://www.interplaneaircraft.com/zjviera.htm

These type of planes don't seem suitable for
going cross-country to me, and although it's
possible to do so in one you could probably
get there just as fast in your truck.

Yeah, right.

http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/article...0907combs.html

So far this guy has gone 20,000 nm in a LSA.

Yeah and the article doesn't tell how long it took him
to do it either, does it? No thanks.

Most all of the LSA's have roughly the same cruise speed.

Still, they look like a load of fun, but I was looking'
to circumvent commercial flying.

Then you need something like a Citation, which is a bit more than your $20k
budget.

I've not revealed my budget nor my plans, but if you
want to know, I will probably buy a used Piper Sport
or Arion Lightning within 24 months, have to pay at
least 80K, and gripe about it.

As the PiperSport is new this year, good luck on finding used ones two
years from now.



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Mark wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:44Â*pm, wrote:

Most all of the LSA's have roughly the same cruise speed.

No sir. Very few of them can actually hit 138mph.
VERY FEW. And I plan on going 140.

The rule is 138 mph in level flight with maximum continuous power.

If you plan on going 140 mph, you are not going to do it in a LSA.

And yes, most all of the LSA's have roughly the same cruise speed
between 130 mph and 138 mph.


As the PiperSport is new this year, good luck on finding used ones two
years from now.

No sir. I've been in one years ago.

No, you have not, as the PiperSport didn't exist before 2010.

You see, it's actually the Czech Sport which had
management problems and teetered on bankruptcy.
Many of us were afraid of them after that, thinking
parts and support would dwindle...and then along
came good ol' Piper and bought the company.

There were several last fall available. One was
listed $79,000. I know a guy that has one.

Actually what you saw was a Czech Sport Aircraft Sport Cuiser, which has
been around since 2006.

The PiperSport has had Piper modifications and the airplanes are not
identical.

Also, Piper did not buy the company, the PiperSport is being built under
a licencing agreement.


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Mark wrote:
On Sep 12, 8:52Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:44Â*pm, wrote:

Most all of the LSA's have roughly the same cruise speed.

No sir. Â*Very few of them can actually hit 138mph.
VERY FEW. Â*And I plan on going 140.

The rule is 138 mph in level flight with maximum continuous power.

If you plan on going 140 mph, you are not going to do it in a LSA.

Yes I am. Might even go 145.

Yes, it's an illegal modification.

So, you are publicly admitting you are planning to violate FAA regulations?


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On Sep 13, 5:36*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 13, 2:12*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 12, 8:52*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:44*pm, wrote:

Most all of the LSA's have roughly the same cruise speed.

No sir. *Very few of them can actually hit 138mph.
VERY FEW. *And I plan on going 140.

The rule is 138 mph in level flight with maximum continuous power.

If you plan on going 140 mph, you are not going to do it in a LSA.

Yes I am. Might even go 145.

Yes, it's an illegal modification.

So, you are publicly admitting you are planning to violate FAA regulations?

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My answer: What Jim Logajan said.

So how do you intend to get a valid airworthiness certificate?

It will come that way. I will have interchangeable "accessories".

I mean, maybe that's what Mark might do.

So anyway, yeah, the Czech sportcruiser and the Piper Sport
are the same airplane.

Nope, they are very similar airplanes.

Lol. Ok Jim.

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On Sep 13, 5:36*pm, wrote:

So anyway, yeah, the Czech sportcruiser and the Piper Sport
are the same airplane.

Nope, they are very similar airplanes.

Wrong. READ FOR CONTENT.

"Piper officials said they plan no major modifications to the
aircraft
that claims a top speed of 120 knots and a range of 600 nautical
miles. Piper’s Vero Beach manufacturing plant will play no role in
Sport Cruiser construction, and the company will support the new
aircraft with logistics and parts distribution."


http://www.aeromarkt.net/index.php?l...rchive&ID=1557

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Mark

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Mark wrote:
On Sep 13, 5:33Â*pm, wrote:

But this guy thinks the weight limit on a LSA is based on the actual weight.

I go by what the POH says.

Then why did you say you thought a Skipper that weighed 1100 lbs. would
qualify as a LSA?

I doubt his is really a pilot.

Then I guess I shouldn't have bought a new ASA headset
last month.

Likely because you are like the "slow" guy that hangs around the local
airport doing odd jobs with an aviation headset plugged into a Walkman.


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On Sep 13, 5:33*pm, wrote:

But this guy thinks the weight limit on a LSA is based on the actual weight.

I doubt
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And furthermore, you probably are unaware that there are
LSA's that weigh more than 1320lbs too.

You've been wrong about everything else you've tried to
argue. 1) piper/czech planes 2) ratio of plane prices over
time 3) fleet profile of LSA's, 4) typical LSA knot capacity,
etc., etc., etc. I provide proof and you change the subject.
I bring original topic back up and you lie about what you
said. I provide direct quote...you don't respond.

You a silly goose.

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Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 13, 5:33Â*pm, wrote:

But this guy thinks the weight limit on a LSA is based on the actual weight.

I doubt
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And furthermore, you probably are unaware that there are
LSA's that weigh more than 1320lbs too.

Yeah, there are exceptions for floats and a few other things, but that
has nothing to do with the original statement that you don't know the
difference between actual weight and max gross weight.


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On Sep 13, 8:14*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 13, 5:33*pm, wrote:
But this guy thinks the weight limit on a LSA is based on the actual weight.

I go by what the POH says.

Then why did you say you thought a Skipper that weighed 1100 lbs. would
qualify as a LSA?

I'll tell you why. After realizing the skipper I looked at wasn't
LSA I searched the ads and found more than one of them
that weighted 1100 lbs. This led me to speculate that maybe
there was a variant that did qualify. I like to believe the best
in people and wanted to think I was wrong.

I doubt his is really a pilot.

Then I guess I shouldn't have bought a new ASA headset
last month.

Likely because you are like the "slow" guy that hangs around the local
airport doing odd jobs with an aviation headset plugged into a Walkman.

My vocabulary and syntax alone are enough to dispell that.

So far you've shown everyone in this forum that you've got
a "little problem" with an inability to stop being obnoxious or
submitting erroneous information. Although I've spanked your
butt on every single point of contention...it wasn't fun or my
desire, however it's quite useful for purposes of revealing
information within the aviation forum, which is why I'm here.

Here's a little concept for you to ponder-

The Law of Reciprocity.
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Mark


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Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 13, 8:14Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 13, 5:33Â*pm, wrote:
But this guy thinks the weight limit on a LSA is based on the actual weight.

I go by what the POH says.

Then why did you say you thought a Skipper that weighed 1100 lbs. would
qualify as a LSA?

I'll tell you why. After realizing the skipper I looked at wasn't
LSA I searched the ads and found more than one of them
that weighted 1100 lbs.

You still don't get it, do you?

The weight of an airplane isn't a determining factor in qualifying as a
LSA, it is the max gross weight.


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