"Taliban Doors"

Has anyone heard the stories from airline pilots of 767 aircraft about
the placement of the unlock switch for the mandated "Taliban Doors"?

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...


EDR wrote:

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?

Well, since you aren't going to hit the fuel cutoff switches in the air under
normal circumstances, I'd say it doesn't matter much.

But you do open the flight deck door in the air.

EDR wrote:

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?

Well, since you aren't going to hit the fuel cutoff switches in the air under
normal circumstances, I'd say it doesn't matter much.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

Ron Natalie wrote:

But you do open the flight deck door in the air.

Ah, yes. So we're back to the old "make sure it's the flaps and not the gear before
you hit the switch" scenario.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:20:36 GMT EDR wrote:

Has anyone heard the stories from airline pilots of 767 aircraft about
the placement of the unlock switch for the mandated "Taliban Doors"?

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?


Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.


R. Hubbell

"R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04...

Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I guess none...

The fuel cutoff switches on the 767 must be pulled out, flipped down,
and shoved back in to cutoff the fuel. They aren't simply flip
switches like the cabin door lock switches most likely are. The fuel
cutoff switches are designed to require a very deliberate act on the
part of crew to ensure that accidental fuel cutoff never happens.

This is why the flight data records of the Egypt air flight that was
kamikazee'd into the Atlantic were so telling... the fuel cutoff
switches were both moved to the off position shortly after the first
officer began losing the flight control battle (I push you pull) with
the captain. Once he cut off fuel to the engines, they were toast...
an in flight restart with a first officer fighting to crash the plane
would be difficult at best.

Dean

EDR wrote in message ...
Has anyone heard the stories from airline pilots of 767 aircraft about
the placement of the unlock switch for the mandated "Taliban Doors"?

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:12:36 -0500, "Ron Natalie" wrote:


"R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04...

Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I've heard that saying so many times, and this is the best application of it
that I have read! Bravo!!!

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

"R. Hubbell" wrote in message
news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04...

Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Rather like the ESP experiments...they don't even hit the level of
chance/good guess.

He (Nader) has proposed quite a lot in his day. If all his recommendations
were adopted, a medium valued car would cost $170,000, a Cessna 182 would be
$750K and would weigh 5,500 lbs empty.

Nader isn't a rocket scientist by any means...he's not even a engineer, and
certainly has never run any business other than his strong-arm organization
that would do the Mafia proud. Yet the scumbag raises $$millions and he got
5% of the vote...beating even the Libertarian candidate.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:12:36 -0500 "Ron Natalie" wrote:


"R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04...

Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


Actually that's incorrect. A stopped clock
would only be right if you looked at it at the exact
moment of the time that's displayed. This is all based
on the assumption that it's a clock with hands and that
it's a 12 hour clock.

Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble. I'm sure
you'll get over it though.

R. Hubbell