JFK

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Thus, if a capitalist cabal were running the war, it would have to
conclude it wasn't a paying proposition.

The author is wrong...and badly so. Embarassingly so, I'd hope, unless the
article was deliberately deceptive.

I won't address the truth of these assertions; I lack that information.

However, his conclusion above silently assumes that those paying for the
war, reconstruction, etc. are the same as those accruing the benefit from
the aforementioned contracts. This need not be the case. The war etc. is
funded by taxpayers; the contracts reward shareholders of specific
companies.

A pure capitalist among the shareholder population would be perfectly happy
with this arrangement.

- Andrew

("Paul Sengupta" wrote)
Reminds me of the same linguistic gymnastics Clinton himself
engaged in.

Cunning-linguistics? I thought it was he who...

Ahem, never mind.


The guy still cracks me up - so to speak.

(clipped from the web)
Just as one small example of how far Clinton went to avoid the truth, in the
portions of President Clinton's January 17 deposition that have been made
public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is a
list of his answers followed by a number that indicates how many times he
gave each one.

I don't remember - 71
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2
I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I Honestly Don't Know'
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have a independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that I did, I just - I have no memory of that at all - 1

--
Montblack

Gee, I bet no republican can beat that.

And I bet no democrat ever wasted as much time counting them.

mike regish

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Paul Sengupta" wrote)
Reminds me of the same linguistic gymnastics Clinton himself
engaged in.

Cunning-linguistics? I thought it was he who...

Ahem, never mind.


The guy still cracks me up - so to speak.

(clipped from the web)
Just as one small example of how far Clinton went to avoid the truth, in
the
portions of President Clinton's January 17 deposition that have been made
public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is
a
list of his answers followed by a number that indicates how many times he
gave each one.

I don't remember - 71
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2
I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I Honestly Don't Know'
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have a independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that I did, I just - I have no memory of that at all - 1

--
Montblack

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:19:06 +0100, Martin Hotze
wrote:

Robert Perkins wrote:

The situation is still somewhat similar in Europe today. The Euros
think of themselves as French, Danish, German, Austrian, English,
Scottish, etc, first, and only then as Europeans.


it is becoming better. and it is rushing compared to the time we had.

Not completely clear what you mean by "it is rushing", but I agree
that it's becoming better. Nothing like neighbors different from
oneself to teach one the truth about one's neighbors, etc.

NATO mitigates that
a bit, but I think that's only with the 800-lb gorilla (U.S.) in the

IBTD, some countries (and even more by jan 1st 2004) are not NATO members.

All you need is a critical mass, plus the superpower in the alliance.
Personall I haven't heard about any countries withdrawing from NATO.
The most likely candidate seems to be France, but even then I see no
evidence of it; France knows the benefits of military alliance with
its three largest neighbors.

And as Heinlein put it, politics is vastly superior to war.

well, we had only about 50 years time. for this short of time we did a rather
good job, IMHO.

Have a care that it doesn't become a false dawn. Austrians I know were
still fond of singing "Deutschland, Deutschland, ohne alles!" as late
as 1990. One of them, a tradesman, went around grousing about how much
Austria was better while he was in Switzerland.

All it'll take is a shortage.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 at 15:42:49 in message
, Paul Sengupta
wrote:

I keep saying that no one who wants to be a politician
should be allowed to become one.

And I thought I invented that phrase!

"David CL Francis" wrote in message
...
Perhaps no one who craves power can be trusted to use it?


--
David CL Francis

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:16:21 -0600, Mike Rhodes
wrote:

snip

.... That's part of the reason why there was trouble,
though it wasn't ours in the making -- unless we could be blamed for
his killing, for establishing them in office in the first place. But
could we be blamed for killing their king? (I write that believing it
were the commies who got to him, not 'us'. They had the grudge then.)

Why Was JFK killed?

JFK was out the Fighting Irish family. He was glory-seeking and
confrontational. (Like some people I know.) That is what killed us.
And that is likely what killed him.
The fights that came to us, including the Cuban Missile Crisis,
were of his own making. In a sense, he was McCarthy reprised,
world-wide. I hate communism, think it is insanity. But he bit off
more than he could chew, and was willing up front to risk our peace to
do it. The Russian missiles in Cuba were a response to JFK's missiles
near their territory. (I heard some reporter explain that a few years
ago, but only heard this once; and I'm not surprised at the why's.)
And what the hell was he doing going into the jungle of Viet Nam?!
Imperialism, the glory thereof. It's our business to keep the world
at peace, and if we gotta knock heads (anywhere) to clear the world's
perspective then so be it. But the jungle war that followed, that had
to be expected, (so near China), was nonsensical on its face.
Being confrontational, just for the apparent glory of it, is by
its nature asking for a return. JFK was puffed up by the
circumstances he created. Lee Harvey Oswald probably killed him in
order to pop that balloon. He killed a facade.

Just after the WTC collapse, I saw President Bush make his visit to
Ground Zero. What I saw was a big smile that wouldn't go away, except
by force; the smile of someone getting the fight he always wanted.
(Must be out of that typical Fighting Kraut family.) But I saw
insanity on that face, and nothing has changed since the insanity of
that election.

Mike

"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote in message

By the way,,, think about that famous JFK quote... "Ask not what your
country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" Sounds like
something today's extreme right wingers would say....

If the notion of service and sacrifice in the public benefit, of
participation in a cause far greater than one's self alone, is the province
of the "extreme right wingers", then I say we need more of them.

The fact is that if JFK were to emerge alive from the ether tomorrow,
ignorant of the events of the last forty years, and were to look around at
the writings and policies of the major parties, with no names or faces to
guide him, he would be welcomed by and feel at home with any group of
republicans, be considered a moderate, and wonder to himself "where the
hell are all the Democrats, and how in God's name did the Socialist Party
get so strong in only forty years"?

JG

Perhaps "...not too far removed..." in a casual reading, but light years
distant in underlying premise.

"Tom S." wrote in message news:R0rtb.13

Indeed, JFK's quote is not too far removed from this one:

"Thus state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the
conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly
human culture..." Adolf Hitler, _Mein_Kampf_

(IOW; the collective and service to the state over the individual and the
government as servant, not the master).

I'd venture that *everyone* noticed the discrepancy, but only a few thought
the error noteworthy. Sort of like spelling correkshuns, y'no?

"Tom S." wrote in message news:4yrtb.33

Read the entire thread: about six or seven people noticed that date snafu.