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What about the AIM-54 Pheonix Missile?
When the US Navy is going to retire all of its F-14 Tomcats, what will
happen with the feared long-range Pheonix missile? As I know, the F-14 is the only frame that can carry this weapon. Or am I wrong? Will the Super Hornet use the AIM-54? Or will they retire the AIM-54 also, as it has no longer such a military value as during the Cold War? Thx for the Info |
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Flub wrote:
When the US Navy is going to retire all of its F-14 Tomcats, what will happen with the feared long-range Pheonix missile? As I know, the F-14 is the only frame that can carry this weapon. Or am I wrong? Will the Super Hornet use the AIM-54? Or will they retire the AIM-54 also, as it has no longer such a military value as during the Cold War? Phoenix will be retired together with the Tomcat around 2010(?). Andreas |
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"Flub" wrote in message
When the US Navy is going to retire all of its F-14 Tomcats, what will happen with the feared long-range Pheonix missile? As I know, the F-14 is the only frame that can carry this weapon. Or am I wrong? Will the Super Hornet use the AIM-54? Or will they retire the AIM-54 also, as it has no longer such a military value as during the Cold War? The F-14As go away by the end of 2004 (if not earlier) and the Bs and Ds by 2007/2008. I believe Phoenix is actually being retired before the F-14. Earlier this year, they talked about a "vertical kill" to the Phoenix budget line to free up money for new programs. If that happened, look for the missile to disappear by 2004. No other aircraft can fire Pheonix, but the rnage of AMRAAM keeps creeping up. At some point, it may be a match to AIM-545 (perhaps with a ramjet engine like Meteor, perhaps not). -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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Andreas Parsch wrote in message ...
Flub wrote: When the US Navy is going to retire all of its F-14 Tomcats, what will happen with the feared long-range Pheonix missile? As I know, the F-14 is the only frame that can carry this weapon. Or am I wrong? Will the Super Hornet use the AIM-54? Or will they retire the AIM-54 also, as it has no longer such a military value as during the Cold War? Phoenix will be retired together with the Tomcat around 2010(?). "By 2007" according to a March 2003 report: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...0327-nns05.htm Brooks Andreas |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:58:58 +0200, Andreas Parsch wrote:
? Phoenix will be retired together with the Tomcat around 2010(?). How many are left ? It would have the makings of a seriously long legged ARM. greg -- $ReplyAddress =~ s#\@.*$##; # Delete everything after the '@' Who lives in a pineapple under the sea? Absorbent and yellow and pourous is he! If nautical nonsense be something you wish! Then drop on the deck and flop like a fish! |
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In article et, "Thomas
Schoene" wrote: "Flub" wrote in message When the US Navy is going to retire all of its F-14 Tomcats, what will happen with the feared long-range Pheonix missile? As I know, the F-14 is the only frame that can carry this weapon. Or am I wrong? Will the Super Hornet use the AIM-54? Or will they retire the AIM-54 also, as it has no longer such a military value as during the Cold War? The F-14As go away by the end of 2004 (if not earlier) and the Bs and Ds by 2007/2008. I believe Phoenix is actually being retired before the F-14. Earlier this year, they talked about a "vertical kill" to the Phoenix budget line to free up money for new programs. If that happened, look for the missile to disappear by 2004. No other aircraft can fire Pheonix, but the rnage of AMRAAM keeps creeping up. At some point, it may be a match to AIM-545 (perhaps with a ramjet engine like Meteor, perhaps not). That won't help the F-14D fleet though. They can't shoot AIM-120 without aircraft upgrades and radar software. Have to balance the cost of that against the cost of keeping some AIM-54s alive. -- Harry Andreas Engineering raconteur |
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"Flub" wrote in message ... When the US Navy is going to retire all of its F-14 Tomcats, what will happen with the feared long-range Pheonix missile? Its debateable how feared the Phoenix is. The Iranians claimed a number of kills from theirs, but the reality is that the Phoenix never saw use in the role it was designed for, which is defending carrier task groups at long range from Soviet bomber attack. tim gueguen 101867 |
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"tim gueguen" wrote in message news:VFPcb.23773$TM4.15531@pd7tw2no... "Flub" wrote in message ... When the US Navy is going to retire all of its F-14 Tomcats, what will happen with the feared long-range Pheonix missile? Its debateable how feared the Phoenix is. Tim, except in the US and Russian (i.e. Soviet at the time) _public_ (and, of course, all the possible internet forums and news groups), it was never "debatable" how "feared" the Phoenix is. To express it in the words of an Iraqi Su-22-strike leader, in reaction to one of the Mirage F.1EQs that was escorting his forumation being blown away by a "non-functioning/not serviceable/useless/can be used only against bombers" Iranian AIM-54A, in February 1987: - "F-14! Yalla! Yalla!"... (translation: "F-14! Run! Run!") Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 |
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"tim gueguen" wrote in message news:VFPcb.23773$TM4.15531@pd7tw2no... "Flub" wrote in message ... When the US Navy is going to retire all of its F-14 Tomcats, what will happen with the feared long-range Pheonix missile? Its debateable how feared the Phoenix is. The Iranians claimed a number of kills from theirs, but the reality is that the Phoenix never saw use in the role it was designed for, which is defending carrier task groups at long range from Soviet bomber attack. Ok, we'll put you in the cockpit of a target aircraft and you can debate how fearful it is |
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