How to determine if your ASG29 has the large or small panel?

I just learned that there are (apparently) two panel sizes available in a 29? Large and normal (or small).

1) How does one determine which one is in a given glider (without being able to easily compare it to another)? Are there dimensions or is there a simple test?

2) Can you change between the two panel sizes easily? If you have a small can you change to the large and vice-versa?

Thanks in advance...

On Monday, November 17, 2014 12:45:23 PM UTC-8, Sean Fidler wrote:
I just learned that there are (apparently) two panel sizes available in a 29? Large and normal (or small).

1) How does one determine which one is in a given glider (without being able to easily compare it to another)? Are there dimensions or is there a simple test?

Look at this drawing (below) and compare to what you have. The small panel has taller leg cutouts - I believe these are not widely deployed so it it most likely you have the bigger panel.

http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/s...20ib%20001.pdf


2) Can you change between the two panel sizes easily? If you have a small can you change to the large and vice-versa?

You'd need to replace the entire panel pedestal that the canopy attached to.. I'm not sure if this leads to having to refit the canopy - seems like a possibility. I've not heard of it being done, but anything is possible with enough shop hours and composite material.

9B

Thanks in advance...

Thanks. I think I have the big one, phew!

On second thought, it appears that I have the smaller one :-(.

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25yeZFhZI0sn

On Monday, November 17, 2014 5:32:46 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
On second thought, it appears that I have the smaller one :-(.

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25yeZFhZI0sn

You do have the small one.
Panel change requires changing the lower enclosure also, best done by procuring the entire assembly including the pivot arm assembly. It does not affect the canopy with the exception that it takes a good bit of time to install the pivot arm assembly so that the canopy fits correctly.
Been there- done that.
UH

On Monday, November 17, 2014 4:03:58 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, November 17, 2014 5:32:46 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
On second thought, it appears that I have the smaller one :-(.

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25yeZFhZI0sn

You do have the small one.
Panel change requires changing the lower enclosure also, best done by procuring the entire assembly including the pivot arm assembly. It does not affect the canopy with the exception that it takes a good bit of time to install the pivot arm assembly so that the canopy fits correctly.
Been there- done that.
UH

Just be aware that with the new panel if you scare the crap out of yourself you will no longer be able to assume a fetal position.

On Monday, November 17, 2014 5:32:46 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
On second thought, it appears that I have the smaller one :-(.

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25yeZFhZI0sn

It looks like you have room to grow

Thanks all. To be honest, I do like being able to get at my feet if necessary. I think I'm staying with the current panel (fixed up) SN10/Oudie and adding the 57mm Flarm View. Anybody want to buy the FlarmView (see picture) for $200? That's $80 off new. Free shipping! I just bought this in June 2014. PM me. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/lxnav...XNAV-FlarmView

Sean, one thought. If you do nothing (except, of course, look) as the unit progresses up the alerting scale, it is telling you it is increasingly likely that you WILL collide (your current speed and altitude are partly causing it; since you can't the sure the other lady or gentleman will change, you should (IMHO) (you both should, hopefully using the rules of the road as a guide)). If I can't quickly pick up the target, I aggressively maneuver to avoid it (generally by changing altitude; if it's higher, I dive, if lower, I pull up, energy permitting). If on the ridge, it becomes more interesting...

I am aware that the OSTIV Training and Safety Panel (TSP) is working on recommended actions on receipt of flarm alerts, and multiple versions have been proposed (I've seen 3)... but, there isn't agreement on final text, as far as I know.

Finally, the warnings - from the latest PF manual (3.40):
"FLARM-warnings are issued in accordance with the time remaining to a possible collision, not the geometric distance between the aircraft. The first warning is typically issued between 19 and 25 seconds in advance to the calculated possible collision with aircraft or obstacle (time to impact); the second is issued 14 to 18 seconds in advance, and the third 6 to 8 seconds in advance. Warnings are sustained as long as the threat remains as calculated. Depending upon the prediction, the threat may be downgraded or deleted. Warnings are selective, i.e. they are only issued if the calculation detects a high probability of a collision in the immediate future." page 5 of manual.

2D

Makes perfect sense to me. Good stuff.